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 Posted: Jul 20, 2003 - 03:12 PM
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A little question....
Can I push this player out? A = attacker, A+ = Assist, D= Defender and D+ Assist
A+ A
D D+ A+
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I would guess that there are no problems for A to push D out!
And will at it, can I chose to push a player into an occupied field eventhough there is one or more empty fields? |
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Posted: Jul 20, 2003 - 04:29 PM
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If I understand your diagram correctly and A is blocking D, and the rest have no applicable skills such as Guard, then:
1. there are no assists: D+ cancels all the A+ assists and the A+s cancel the D+ assist. So it just a straight A (plus skills) vs D (plus skills) block - should the result in a pushback, and should D not have a skill that prevents a pushback, then yes, D can be pushed off the field;
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Posted: Jul 21, 2003 - 02:46 AM
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The priority for pushbacks is
1) Empty squares (including the ball)
2) Out of bounds
3) Occupied Square
So in the following example you must push your opponent out of bounds.
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D = defender
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Posted: Jul 21, 2003 - 04:37 AM
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Really? I'm pretty sure that 'out of bounds' is treated as an 'occupied square'. I.e. priority 2 and 3 are actually the same.
This is because the LRB says that you must be pushed back into empty space if available, or an occupied space if not. It then says that you can only be pushed into the crowd if there are no empty spaces available. My interpretation of this is that the sidelines are squares that are permanently occupied by the crowd, so you could choose to push back the player in the occupied sideline square, if you wanted to. |
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Posted: Jul 21, 2003 - 05:05 AM
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| Hmm, I think your order is correct, (althought there may actually be a 'choice' here - though it would seem that 'into crowd and roll for injury' just is 'assumed' automatically) 2Xskulls, but your drawing is not. If I'm reading it correctly, there is an empty space next to B, which is where D will pushback. If the empty space awas filled, then the defender is pushed out of bounds (again I'm not sure if this is a 'choice' taken by habit or automatic). Other's answers? |
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Posted: Jul 21, 2003 - 05:09 AM
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Doubleskulls is right.  |
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Posted: Jul 21, 2003 - 05:14 AM
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Posted: Jul 21, 2003 - 05:50 AM
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LRB pp 11
Quote: The player must be pushed back into an empty square if possible. If all such squares are occupied by other players, then the player is pushed into an occupied square, and the player that originally occupied the square is pushed back in turn.
Players may only be pushed off the field if there are no eligible empty squares on the field.
Although it isn't presented as clear as I would like there is nothing to say you can choose an occupied square over out of bounds. |
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Posted: Jul 21, 2003 - 06:35 AM
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The drawing is correct. B is the Blocker, A is now the "Assister" rather than the "Attacker" of the first drawing.
Regarding pushing a player into an available occupied square rather than out of bounds...dunno. I don't think the rules say you can't. We've always played that "OOB is like an unoccupied square" as detailed above, but the rules don't say that. I can't think of a time it's mattered, either - if I'm the attacker, I wouldn't try anything that would get my player shoved out of bounds! So, by definition, I always want players pushed out of bounds when I'm the attacker.
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Posted: Jul 21, 2003 - 07:00 AM
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Thanks, O Mighty Tut - my eyes were not focused yet!  |
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Posted: Jul 21, 2003 - 09:16 AM
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Ok, it is a pretty rare occurrence, but I have seen people do it to be nice. (Don't laugh. I had a human team coach who was the Bright Crusaders in all but name.  ) I have also seen it done to break into a cage, but only once mind.
Quote: Players may only be pushed off the field if there are no eligible empty squares on the field.
Yes, may. It's optional, and only an option when there are no available empty squares. At least by my interpretation anyway. Having said that, I personally have never wasted an opportunity to put 'em in the crowd either. |
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Posted: Jul 21, 2003 - 09:22 AM
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Huh .... guess I've never seen it that way.
But I agree with the interpretation. If you REALLY wanted to push the player on the field you could. But as has been said, 98% of coaches would choice to launch him into the crowd.
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Posted: Jul 22, 2003 - 03:53 AM
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| it's also a good tactic to use if it pushes one of your players nearer the end zone, like I sometimes try with my catchers. |
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Posted: Nov 19, 2003 - 10:50 PM
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Quote: I can't think of a time it's mattered, either
In our league a coach chose to push a player along the sideline in order to push the ballcarrier out of bounds.
The LRB says that
Quote: Players may only be pushed off the field if there are no eligible empty squares on the field
Note the word may
Any comments? Or do we have to house rule on this?  |
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Posted: Nov 20, 2003 - 01:13 AM
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| We always counted the crowd as an occupied square, so a player could keep the opposition on the pitch if he wanted to, but it never happened in our last league or cup. |
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