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Europe - The XLIII Blood Bowl Tournament, 8th/9th May
Indigo - Feb 07, 2004 - 02:43 AM
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I'm going, got my tickets at 9.04 and was the 22nd person to do so 
Old_Man_Monkey - Feb 07, 2004 - 02:46 AM
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Can't wait to see you there! Guess I'll start flapping my wings now... 
McDeth - Feb 07, 2004 - 02:51 AM
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Got mine, got though almost straight away at 9:00 
Hangus - Feb 07, 2004 - 02:54 AM
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when i got mine at 9:25 there where less than a hundred left probably sold out now
Starbold - Feb 07, 2004 - 04:04 AM
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Got mine.
Dan_Titan - Feb 07, 2004 - 05:52 AM
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Got Mine to.... See you all there....
Colin - Feb 07, 2004 - 08:59 AM
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I feel asleep waiting for the 2:00am local time to call, but was miracilously woken up at around 2:30. I phoned and got a ticket, so I'll be going. Unfortunatly, I had asked Indigo if he might be able to get me one as I didn't know if I would be able to get one myself. He said he couldn't promise me anything (that's why I took the opportunity and phoned when I woke up at 2:30), now Indigo has a extra ticket. If there's anyone out there wanting to go, contact Indigo.
Indigo - Feb 07, 2004 - 10:39 AM
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I've got a couple of spare tickets so if anyone needs one then mail or PM me.
smeborg - Feb 07, 2004 - 11:48 AM
Post subject: Got mine too
I called at about 9:01. Number engaged - 5 calls to get a line.
Then just under 15 minutes of waiting to get the ticket.
That's a lot better than last year. Credit to GW, who must have staffed up the call centre more professionally this time.
I was dreading a long call (calling from New Zealand, it would have cost me).
See you all there.
Cheers
Smeborg the Fleshless
Hangus - Feb 07, 2004 - 11:55 AM
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guess you'll be up for most travelled coach?
thats very cool
Indigo - Feb 07, 2004 - 12:23 PM
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lol he'll win it again then
Hangus - Feb 07, 2004 - 12:29 PM
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i thinks that the only way for me to win something is to play in austrialia and get most travelled coach
Thadrin - Feb 07, 2004 - 12:43 PM
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Take yourself to Orion or Underworld or one of those...barring a German or me turning up you'd have a chance there.
(I believe I would have taken the award, had there been one, at Spiky 2003, narrowly beating out Sputnik. Just about the only time I'll narrowly beat him in anything BB related I guess.)
I thought you were in Singapore, Smeborg?
Anyone fancy starting a sweep on how many nations (travelled from) will be represented? Can we beat 21 from last year?
Thus far I know of Spain, USA, Canada, Sweden, France, Austria, wherever we count Smeborg as being from and probably Holland in addition to Britain.
Hangus - Feb 07, 2004 - 12:45 PM
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one day i'll make an abroad tourny but funds for the year are stretched with pearlys and the bloodbowl (as well as Camcarnage) maybe next year 
Darkson - Feb 07, 2004 - 01:45 PM
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Old_Man_Monkey wrote:
Can't wait to see you there! Guess I'll start flapping my wings now...
I'm hoping that means that I've got a ticket too! (O_M_M - email me -the suspense is to much to bear 
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Indi, can you hold one for me until I find out either way from OMM?
Indigo - Feb 08, 2004 - 03:26 AM
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no probs
Darkson - Feb 08, 2004 - 05:37 AM
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Thanks Indi, but just got a PM from O_M_M. The man's a star and got me a ticket, so I'm a definite. 
And O_M_M - 
- cheers fella, I'll buy you a beer or two (or whatever's your poison).
Thadrin - Feb 08, 2004 - 06:31 AM
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I added you to the list over at TBB Si.
Darkson - Feb 08, 2004 - 06:51 AM
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Anyone heard how Woody et al got on with getting hold of tickets?
Thadrin - Feb 08, 2004 - 11:42 AM
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Their names were on the first list that Indigo put up on TBB...I assume he got them their tix.
Indigo - Feb 08, 2004 - 03:11 PM
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Yeah I got Woody, Del, their mate Andy (from Spiky) and Merton theirs.
Ancalagon - Feb 09, 2004 - 01:06 AM
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I'm in, 10 more too (Docdrak, Dan_titan, Obeliz, Senard, lupus, etc.)
Tojurub - Feb 09, 2004 - 07:27 AM
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I'm in as well.....I got 3 tickets....so if my brother and my sister change their minds and don't want to go ....I would have some spare ones...I know my the end of March
dwarfcoach - Feb 09, 2004 - 01:23 PM
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I'm in!!! 
I'm NOT going to take Dwarves though, I think this nickname was a bloody curse..... 
P.S. Dont even ask how I got on at the Dutch Open..... 
Thadrin - Feb 10, 2004 - 02:26 AM
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dwarfcoach wrote:
Dwarfs look to have taken a pasting at the DO...
Write it down in the book of grudges and strap on yer beard for Nottingham! I'm Dwarfing it as usual.
Indigo - Feb 10, 2004 - 03:38 AM
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lol I'd pay money to see you two wandering round all weekend with strap on beards
Thadrin - Feb 10, 2004 - 04:54 AM
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Not happening.
Darkson - Feb 10, 2004 - 05:25 AM
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Oh, go on, you know you want to really
Tojurub - Feb 10, 2004 - 08:21 AM
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I don't think dwarves is a good choice seeing the way the point system works this year.....unless you get very lucky with the dice.
Don't get me wrong....I love playing dwarves, but I don't see it happening that they score 3 and more TD on a regular basis.
Thadrin - Feb 10, 2004 - 02:37 PM
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I like dwarfs. I'm used to dwarfs. I wouldn't win if everyone but me was playing halflings.
I'll stick to stunties and hope we can make GW see sense no matter what they may already have printed.
AnthonyTBBF - Feb 11, 2004 - 07:08 AM
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w00t! I will be there! Booked my flight yesterday.
BTW for anyone travelling from Canada, I found a super cheap airline called Zoom. You can get to London and back for about $550 including taxes and fees... not bad!
Ancalagon - Feb 11, 2004 - 08:12 AM
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oh we are so happy ¬¬ another painting prize gone ...
Just kidding ;-P will be great to see your minis master!
Deathwing - Feb 11, 2004 - 08:22 AM
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AnthonyTBBF wrote:
w00t! I will be there! Booked my flight yesterday.
BTW for anyone travelling from Canada, I found a super cheap airline called Zoom. You can get to London and back for about $550 including taxes and fees... not bad!
AnthonyTBBF - Feb 11, 2004 - 09:46 AM
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Pfff... that isn't what I'm flying on Woody, my plane has skis not wheels
Indigo - Feb 11, 2004 - 09:56 AM
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lol that's the plane out of Indiana Jones. Just make sure you avoid mountain ranges or at the very least pack a bright yellow inflatable dinghy.
CyberHare - Feb 11, 2004 - 10:08 AM
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AnthonyTBBF wrote:
w00t! I will be there! Booked my flight yesterday.
BTW for anyone travelling from Canada, I found a super cheap airline called Zoom. You can get to London and back for about $550 including taxes and fees... not bad!
Did they notice the part where you have to pedal the whole way there to make the propeler turn Don't forget when you land to put your foot out the door to stop the plane 
AnthonyTBBF - Feb 11, 2004 - 10:29 AM
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I upgraded so I don't have to pedal, however I do have to pull the plane out to the runway with a snowmobile.
Darkson - Feb 11, 2004 - 01:55 PM
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Not huskies?
Thadrin - Feb 11, 2004 - 10:54 PM
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Do you get to be the one who chases the moose off the runway too?
Torpor - Feb 12, 2004 - 02:20 AM
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Ticket along with Information and Rules Pack arrived in this morning's post. Nice to know that 'Boisterous Mirth' is only scheduled for 4 hours on Saturday night. Guess that means we aren't supposed to enjoy ourselves the rest of the weekend.
-Torpor
Hangus - Feb 12, 2004 - 04:25 AM
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does anyone know how many NAF members are going?
Torpor - Feb 12, 2004 - 05:56 AM
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I think that the number of NAF people known to be attending is about 60. It is posted with the list of TBB attendees, under the BloodBowl Tournament thread there. As TBB seems to be unavailable, I cannot post a link for you.
Indigo - Feb 12, 2004 - 06:15 AM
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at last count there were 80 TBB members going, 69 of whom were NAF. How many were NAF at last year's event?
Deathwing - Feb 12, 2004 - 06:58 AM
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Indigo wrote:
at last count there were 80 TBB members going, 69 of whom were NAF. How many were NAF at last year's event?
IIRC, somewhere around 118 of 180. I'd expect a significant jump this year.
Thadrin - Feb 12, 2004 - 07:10 AM
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We're going to set Longfang on anyone who doesn't join up
AnthonyTBBF - Feb 12, 2004 - 07:15 AM
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I am looking forward to the post-game festivities more than anything Are we going to invade some poor pub again this year?
Deathwing - Feb 12, 2004 - 07:56 AM
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lol...I'll be around for post-tourney festivities Sunday evening.
CyberHare - Feb 12, 2004 - 07:57 AM
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Lets go to the White Hart again so they can throw us out when they close Bars closing at 10pm I think it was. What's up with that!
Ancalagon - Feb 12, 2004 - 08:12 AM
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I think all spanish going are NAF
Kithor - Apr 09, 2004 - 03:39 PM
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I'm still looking for a ticket .
So has anyone one to offer?
Ryan - Apr 10, 2004 - 03:12 AM
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Hey after Saturdays offical games anyone want one in bugmans bar over a pint or 2
LouisX - Apr 10, 2004 - 03:51 AM
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Bugman closes early if I remember correctly. It will be the White heart again and maybe a kebab on the way ?
Doubleskulls - Apr 10, 2004 - 05:30 AM
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Ryan wrote:
Hey after Saturdays offical games anyone want one in bugmans bar over a pint or 2
There are going to be lots of games Saturday night - normally I'll not play BB (6 games is enough!) - but something else. Maybe a bit of werewolf.
JJB - Apr 10, 2004 - 05:49 AM
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BLASPHEMY!!!
Wait, did you say Werewolf?
...
You're partly forgiven then.
Emberbreeze - Apr 10, 2004 - 05:55 AM
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How about drinking bloodbowl, everytime you score or cause a casualty you finish your drink! That could get messy fast.
Doubleskulls - Apr 11, 2004 - 07:59 AM
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Yep, but its a lot of fun One for Sunday, if Saturday went badly...
TiMuN - Apr 12, 2004 - 10:26 AM
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Emberbreeze wrote:
How about drinking bloodbowl, everytime you score or cause a casualty you finish your drink! That could get messy fast.
Play a 3 sided deathbowl match then ... lol 
DangerousDave - Apr 21, 2004 - 02:55 AM
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Still looking for one more ticket... anyone got a spare?
Dave
kalten - May 04, 2004 - 05:01 AM
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Just aquick message to all :
GOOD LUCK and kick butt - I'm not comming this year - all my money is tied up with getting married, but next year....we'll see...
I'm gonna miss the fun, but make sure you take loads of photos - I want to see what happens, not just read about it.
Xavier - You gotta win this - I want to know I was beaten by the undisputed king of Blood Bowl!
Love to all and see ya soon (carnage 2 perhaps) (it's after my wedding...)
Colin - May 04, 2004 - 04:42 PM
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Wedding?? Hmmm.....you're not going to be seen at any more tourneys after that!
Old_Man_Monkey - May 05, 2004 - 03:02 AM
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I know for a fact that Jake Thornton is an avid 'Guillotine' player...
Dave - May 05, 2004 - 03:11 AM
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Torg wrote:
Wedding?? Hmmm.....you're not going to be seen at any more tourneys after that!
hey! I'm there ..
Spiky - May 05, 2004 - 08:47 AM
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Hello All,
Just to say I'm looking forward to my first tournament and meeting as many of you as possible!
Best Regards,
Steven
Ancalagon - May 05, 2004 - 10:58 AM
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AAAAAAAARRGHHHH STILL PAINTING!!!
howlinggriffon - May 05, 2004 - 12:15 PM
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Sadly I'm not attending Blood Bowl but I popped into my GW store to wish Ron Battram (Shaven_wookie) good luck as he takes his mighty Halfling team to the tournament He's done a nice job on painting them (As a manager of a GW store should!) with a nice purple and white scheme.
Keep an eye out for them and say hello to him if you see him. If you're playing him - watch out... They're an evil bunch of little thugs who think nothing of ganging up on your ogre and stamping on his nadgers
Have fun guys...
Melifaxis - May 05, 2004 - 12:32 PM
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Have fun at the Blood Bowl for those coaches lucky enough to be attending
Colin - May 05, 2004 - 05:42 PM
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wOOT! I'm off to the BB tomorrow (not arriving 'til Fri noon), it's going to be a blast!! It will be great to see fellow NAF coaches "in the flesh". Watch out Nottingham, the Chaotic Dwarf Marauders are coming!!
Tojurub - May 06, 2004 - 12:29 AM
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I still have to work two day and then I will be off to fly out to the UK....I should start and warm up the dice and give my minis a dusting
See you guys tomorrow (or on Saturday)
Ancalagon - May 06, 2004 - 02:00 AM
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Tojurub: are you coming with the Spanish or you'll arrive alone to the Clarence?
Dan_Titan - May 06, 2004 - 04:51 PM
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he is going with me Anca...
Tojurub - May 06, 2004 - 11:29 PM
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....which I'm not sure is a good or bad thing
....but I guess since he's driving it's a very good thing
shaven-wookie - May 07, 2004 - 12:56 AM
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the mootland avengers are ready and waiting for any ogre nadgers they can find for ther collection.
all fear the halfling cage of doom
dwarfcoach - May 07, 2004 - 03:21 AM
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shaven-wookie wrote:
the mootland avengers are ready and waiting for any ogre nadgers they can find for ther collection.
all fear the halfling cage of doom
Normally anyone using Halflings I would definately mock (only a bit, but c'mon, HALFLINGS 
). But in a competition as diverse as the BB, which will bring together the worlds finest BB players and mix them with a bunch of less experienced players, ANYTHING could happen...
Good luck with your Halflings mate, I will try to be nice if we meet (and your models probably look great and alot better than mine! ).
TiMuN - May 07, 2004 - 05:22 AM
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TBB is down ... too much 'trash talk' going on there??
Slinky78 - May 07, 2004 - 07:06 AM
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Not nearly enough trash talk this year...
Although I tend to avoid it as it just makes it more embarassing when I'm down the bottom tables again.
Ya mama was a troll.
See you all in about 4 hours.
TiMuN - May 07, 2004 - 08:59 AM
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hehe 4 hours .. in 4 hours i will just be around the airport, waiting for my flight ... If i even win the BB, i'll travel in those expensive airplanes, bussines class, right to Nottingham airport ..
By the way - they are planning to build another airport in the vincity, named Robin Hood Airport!
Dan_Titan - May 10, 2004 - 11:58 AM
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Hello all!!! At least back, and after driving for a couple of hours and sleeping for 3, got in an "lovely" plane and worked for 10... I dont know how i can write here....
But well, the tourney! A Great One! Starting with the journey from Bishops Stortford to pick up Torsten (Tojorub) from the aiport, and with Diego (Siscor) we took the road to Notts.
We arrived late (the last one to get to the Clarence Hotel) but even so, nearly the whole Spanish Team was there waiting for us! (the Rest were all Sleeping!!!) (Just a little remark, I have a 10 sec. film of WWF Wrestling championship between Obeliz and Lupuz.... No Comment)
Saturday morning was out of this world, so many friends around that I didnt have time to say hello, they sended me to the first table to play.... The Lustrian got out of their case....
1 Kroxi, 6 Saurus, 4 Skinks, 1 RR, 1 Coach and 8 FF... (As soon i told the opponents this last things, people was playing for not getting a Pitch Invasion...)
1st Trambi (D.Elfs)
The poor elfs didn´t want to play, specialy the witch, who lost a contact lense on the 2nd turn and didnt come back in a good time. So after a 2 - 0 and a few words in French, my dices decided that a 3 - 0 was to much and started to miss... a win and 17 points. Kroxi = Guard
2nd Dave (Norse)
As soon I saw his name on the sheet, I realise that this match was special, the "Re-Match" of last years MadHobbit. That day it was a 3 - 0. But this one was going to be different.
I received and scored very quickly. After this the only 2 words to say: Tacticks and Defense. One of the best matches I´ve played defensly. I covered everything and got my skinks to help me with those assists. I recovered the ball but the score didnt move... a 1 - 0 against a Brilliant coach, who surely wants an other opportunity to change this "fate". by the way, he told me that he had a 10 victory run in tournaments since the Mad Hobbit... Sorry mate. Saurus = Strip Ball
3rd Slinky78 (C. Dwarfs)
Nearly the same story as last one, score as soon as I can, and more defense. But if in the last one i got 1 oportunity to make it 2 - 0, in this one I got about 10... One of those matches that nobody knows that it is a BB match and not a Pressing Team Catch. Sure hands is a must, but neither the skinks or the saurus didnt want to pick the ball... 1 - 0 and an other great game, See you soon Slinky for that Rematch ... Saurus = Tackle
End of this day, but not everything was over... Party at Bugmans playing WW with the ST and Longshot, speaking with nearly everybody, and playing a excited Formula D at the Hotel with the Dutch Party. I won in Zandvoort (Holland)... Diego is still moaning about this (he entered a curve in 5th Gear!!!! and finishid his Toyota in Moscu after loosing all his Tires and Break Points)
I will not mention the visit to a Gothic Pub in Notts.... to many Female Vampires around, isnt Eje?
Woke up after 5 hours sleep (Record!!!!) and prepared for more BB!
4th Michael (Amazons)
More of the same medicine, 1 - 0 and hit an run. Problem: these amazons didnt know what dodge was (except if you do it from the Kroxi...then they had those lovely sixes...) Again I coulnd score and my skinks started to fall down on their own. 1 - 1 in a quick and lucky attack, but 2 - 1 with the same "Speedy Skinks Gonzalez". More oportunities to get more TD, but they just wanted to win of one. Final 2 - 1 against a dificult team (and more in the hands of Michael) Saurus = B. Tackle
5th Peter (Necro)
The tipical game that you are not there and your opponent is. (To open with a Double Skull, RR, Double Skull...)
I would not say at any moment that i lost this one only because of my bad luck, his movements and attack were excellents, and this with a little bit of luck made the rest... 0 - 2 after turn 2 of the second half.
At this point I needed that magic touch to come back, so taking that little "WC Break" I phoned my GF to receive that high spirit and I came back to see the match from a different point of view.
And so I did, I recovered the "Mojo" to score in 3 turns. I was back... until I repeated those lovely "skinless faces"... I just hold him of scoring (after steeling one of my players the ball... 1 - 2. Saurus = B. Tackle
6th Dangerous Dave (C. Dwarfs)
Again another team with a good coach looking after them. The first half started with a 2 - 0 in a blink (receiving him!) and with a Dirty player who just touched one of my skinks and got send off... Not to remark that kroxigor intercepting a pass... and handing it off to a skink...
I was 3 players down (2 injuried and 1 ko) at the start of the second half... or was it a different game??? Blitz to him and he made the 2 - 1 in only 3 turns... the fear became stronger to my players, seeing that on the this line up, another skink was missing... well... with 5 turns to go, and the ball in my position, the "chicken run" begun. I apologize to D.D now and again, but with plenty of C. Dwarfs running in my direction with those "not so good" attitude... I tried to advance using my movement but after a turn in the middle of the pitch i needed to go back and run. (I feel ashame of this) But I it was even worst, they stopped the game with 2 turns to play, and D.D. had still the 3 RR!!! Even we tryed to "overrule" the decision, but nothing was possible. I won 2 - 1 but it was 90% a draw. Not a fair result but I can ensure that we both enjoyed the game. Dave I own you one!
With 5 wins and 1 Lost I was more than Happy, I had the tactical games that I wanted, and met lots of TBB friends. But after receiving the final results I was more than dissapointed, I finished the 55 (as my number) with 0 sportmanships points... I know that it was a mistake and will wait patiently to see if it changes.
Also got the oportunity to show around my Traveler BB, and I hope that somebody takes this Idea to make them a Reality for all of us (this goes for the "Big Bosses" of GW)
I would like to thank all the Organitation and Refs (Indigo was quiet impresive with the red card in his hand), Also to the winners!!! Well done !
But specialy to all of you!!! I cant wait to the next tournament (BarnaBowl???) Hope to see you all!!!!
Dan Titan
Dave - May 10, 2004 - 06:19 PM
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cheers dan .. I definately demand a rematch!
Tojurub - May 10, 2004 - 11:31 PM
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Well...I got back as well...my eyes are starting to open up again.
Thanks to Dan Titan I got safely to the hotel (at 3am)....then meeting the rest of the Spanish team...tehy are really a bunch of funloving crayz guýs (but aren't we all?)
The breakfast at the Clarence was interesting: Beans!!! i wasn't surprised that the gaming hall heated up that quickly
My Musical Mystery human team was ready for a great concert:
6 Lineman
1 Thrower
1 Catcher
1 Blitzer
1 Ogre
and the lovely Zara
1RR
2FF
My first game : My travel and room mate Diego with his Skaven!!!!
It was an interesting game with good and bad luck on both sides and Diego is still trying to tell me that I was lucky that he didn't get to score within one turn...I actually let him score the tieing TD after the announcement of game over....but he deserved the tie.
Second game: I was sitting across from a guy with Undead...Zara was getting her Stakes in order when we heard that the table next to us had the same match-up then inthe first round and we were asked to switch. Bummer...but so we played dwarves instead..against a rookie coach (non NAF)...Since I was playing dwarves most of the time I know all their weaknesses and my opponent had to pay for it: 3-0 win
Third game (at table 14): usually 14 is my lucky number, but Fubar (NAF) with his Skaven proved that to be wrong: I receive: Blitz...then I failed to pick up the ball even with sure hands...great 
, he scores in turn 1. Ok no problem I think...I receive again: Perfect defense...then my Ogre rolls double skulls...aaaarghhh....he picks up the ball, screens it nicely, scores on turn 3...well, I think I still can do something....last turn of the first half I just need two GFI to score a TD....and I managed to fail the first one. The second half was not really much better...my Ogre decided for 4 turns in a row to pick flowers, watch birds, count clouds annd wave to the fans..what a guy! I managed to keep my opponent to only two more TD in the second half...so 0-4 loss, but I won on the casualty side 4-0
then there was the NBA-RCN challenge at Bugmans: Me against gken with some Khemri....Zara was happy. The game went well..I was inthe lead 1-0, but then Zara got ejected by the ref and the rest of the team decided to throw their arms up and surrender...unfortunatelly the Khemri thought that means free hits and so 7 of my players were in the Injured Box...only my Ogre, mz thrower...and surprisingly my catcher survived tha massacre..lost 3-1...Since that was such a quick game we decided to do another one...this time the Mummies got the best of Zara and the populated the injury box...that game I won either 1-0 or 2-0 (too many beers to remember correctly)....Later I joined the French group to a 30-min walk back to the Clarence and I went straight to bed....
6 hours later I had to eat more beans again: Day 2:
The 4th game was against Jez (non-NAF) with his Lizardman. He had the same bad luck as I had the day before in my last game, but he took it quite well and I won 3-0
The 5th and 6th game were basically decided by very lobsided dice, which were definatelly not in my favour. First I lost against Collin (NAF) with his woodelves 5-1, where my Ogre almost matched his record of rolling 4 straight BHs (the fourth roll was a 2), and the last game went downhill after I made one mistake by not moving my catcher one square over...so his Amazon linewoman made three dodge rolls (two of them through 2 TZ) and then he made the 2GFI and rolls double POW against my blodging catcher...ok the changes that this can happen were slim, but from that poin on I had the 1s and 2 booked for myself and my opponent was rolling 5s and 6s and POWs left and right.....not too pleasant. 
Overall I had a lot of fun (opposite to the hours of sleep) and finally had the chance to see the faced to the names on the forum. I enjoyed the whole weekend and have to thank Dan for letting me stay at his house for 3 hours of sleep so I can catch my early flight.
The only sad thing is that I couldn't play TIMuN...I guess we have to meet again soon
Zeeboub - May 11, 2004 - 08:30 AM
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hi all.......
I'm so tired.... I'm just waking up.......
So
Great tourney!!!!!!!! It was really the warhammer world.... ouch!!
I want to work there, closed to the bugman's!!!
oh... too much redbullVodka, i go to bed......
Traveller - May 12, 2004 - 06:11 AM
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great to see the " Travel BB " in real... i got two nice picts of you and the travel pitch, which i will post later. Nice meeting you, Dan_Titan !
Traveller
Dan_Titan - May 14, 2004 - 04:40 PM
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Traveller wrote:
great to see the " Travel BB " in real... i got two nice picts of you and the travel pitch, which i will post later. Nice meeting you, Dan_Titan !
Traveller
I say the same, my friend, its great to meet one of the "big Guys" in this BB World
Dan Titan
Darkson - May 16, 2004 - 03:10 PM
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Had a cracking weekend, even if Valen did cheat in the NBA vs. NDNE games
Thanks to Trav as well for lugging the Streetbowl pitch across the water. It looks even more awesome in "person" than the pics allow, and it was great to get a game on it (especially the donkey mowing down the Saurus front line ).
Thanks to all my opponents, I enjoyed every game, getting as high as table 3 on merit before being let down slightly by my day 2 performance.
Doubleskulls - Jun 02, 2004 - 08:25 AM
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The results are finally up
http://uk.games-workshop.com/news/uk/events/tournaments/bloodbowl/assets/the-bloodbowl-2004-results.pdf
Emberbreeze - Jun 02, 2004 - 08:36 AM
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I don't know, I find them and you get all the credit
at least I was first on TBB
Doubleskulls - Jun 02, 2004 - 09:45 AM
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All the credit goes to Emberbreeze. I claim none for myself.
Dave - Jun 02, 2004 - 11:46 AM
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hmmm 112 instead of 133 .. not bad
Traveller - Jun 02, 2004 - 01:58 PM
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Can someone please explain me, how this most sporting points works ?
If i got 0 points it means no awesome game, right ? Or it means real bad games to play with me ? Or just normal games ? How to get 20 points ?
I´m just wondering as i thought i played two awesome games, but maybe my opponent coachs just say so and didnt wrote it down. Or i simple dont understand this math here ?
Traveller
Deathwing - Jun 02, 2004 - 06:07 PM
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I don't understand the math either my friend, there were guys out there who won Most Sporting at other events who didn't get any points at all.... pretty much irrelevent IMO ( see comments on TBB re. what 'final standings' are worth).
Thadrin - Jun 02, 2004 - 11:02 PM
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Prdeisely three standings matter: places 1 and 2 after round 5, and dead last.
Other than that it doesn't really matter (even though the stats nerd in me would like to know). All this sportsmanship and painting points stuff is pretty much meaningless.
Doubleskulls - Jun 03, 2004 - 04:26 AM
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Some better BB rankings?
Purely by Wins, then Draws. The tiebreak is TDs scored.
Code:
Win Draw Loss
1 Hans Peter Earwaker Mordredds Apocolypse 5 1+ 0
2 Christopher Schmitt Haidhausen Rockets 5 1* 0
3 Ian Williams 5 1 0
4 Justin Hargrave Sisters of Nuffle 5 1 0
5 Andy Hewitt The Dead 'Uns 5 0 1
6 Luke Gregory The Crookback Cretins 5 0 1
7 Richard Roberts Amaxon Piranhas 5 0 1
8 Peter Knuelsen Dead From Below 5 0 1
9 Otto Baidinger Horus' Harlequins 5 0 1
10 Daniel Martinez Lustrian Red Eyes 5 0 1
11 Pedro Garcia Sylvanian Bats 5 0 1
12 William Livingstone The Washington Deadthings 4 2 0
13 Frank Becker United Pharabones 4 2 0
14 Paul Gegg Darkthunder Cheatahs 4 1 1
15 Thorsten Michel Eshin Express 4 1 1
16 Andrew Hughes 4 1 1
17 Aran Isom 4 1 1
18 Harold Edouard Death Squad 4 1 1
19 Ken Washington Asgard All-Stars 4 1 1
20 Frank Hill The Fell-Fjord Frostbiters 4 1 1
21 Tim Ibe Doomville Titans 4 1 1
22 Paul Wake The Mapelheim Maulers 4 1 1
23 Craig Andrews The Tomb Raiders 4 1 1
24 Keith Sutherland Blood Peak Marauders 4 1 1
25 florian schulz Karak Zorn Crushers 4 1 1
26 David Munro Pitsburg Steelheads 4 1 1
27 Manuel Schultz Green War 4 0 2
28 David Ashton The Phoenix Kings 4 0 2
29 Harry Harrington Quenelles Park Rangers 4 0 2
30 Jordi Llobet Ratas Pestosas 4 0 2
31 thomas andersen Crimson Tide 4 0 2
32 Philippe Merlaud Nuts 4 0 2
33 Max Horseman Bjorns Bloody Wanderers 4 0 2
34 Richard Would Portly Miners 4 0 2
35 Antonio Roig The No-Elf Flower Power 3 3 0
36 Phil Scott Greenwood Rangers 3 2 1
37 Steve Watson Bogenhoffen Braves 3 2 1
38 Marcus Pitt Hells Teef 3 2 1
39 Paul Davies Coffin Dodgers 3 2 1
40 James Wood Deathwing's Dullards 3 2 1
41 Olaf Stober Dwarfen Dynamite 3 2 1
42 Marcos Tarrasso Ocana Los Locos De Tarra 3 2 1
43 Javier Carvasal Los Paladines De Hashut 3 2 1
44 Steve McEwan Destroyers of Kharak Dum 3 2 1
45 Graeme Candlish Nashraks Nobbly Nobblers 3 2 1
46 Reiner Van Noort The Karak-Grizdal Grizzlies 3 2 1
47 Xavier Tomas Golden Stone Golems 3 1 2
48 Colin Darra Tyr na nog Talons 3 1 2
49 Andrew Stickland West Wayland Hawks 3 1 2
50 Juan Torosa Elegidos De Orion 3 1 2
51 Gareth Wynn Mordheim Mad-Hackers 3 1 2
52 Robert Higham 3G 3 1 2
53 David Avery Jade Avengers 3 1 2
54 Del Hiscocks Homicidal Hashrats 3 1 2
55 David Allen The Unknown Misfit 3 1 2
56 Chris Taylor Holt Wood Outlaws 3 1 2
57 Rudi Mofer Ice Eagles Pride 3 1 2
58 geerten mast Children of Hashut 3 1 2
59 Yohann Miniere Longshots Likely Losers 3 1 2
60 Andrew Isherwood Little Green Men 3 1 2
61 Darren Littlehales Amazonian All Blacks 3 1 2
62 Andrew John Smith Reik Fire 3 1 2
63 Wolfgang Eigl Death Raiders 3 1 2
64 Barry Holden Axlotis 49'ers 3 1 2
65 Paul Stacey Bo Selecta 3 1 2
66 Dan Flattery The Dead Certs 3 1 2
67 enrique borreda sanchez Karag-Drong Lightning 3 1 2
68 Gavin Sutton The Elfheim Eagles 3 0 3
69 Jose Manuel Martin Los Amigos Del Balon 3 0 3
70 Philip Bateman Cunningham-Grahams Old Boys Cl. 3 0 3
71 Michael Kochke Birds of Prey 3 0 3
72 Nicholas Humby Skitterleap Septacaemics 3 0 3
73 Geoff Porritt Heartless Ghoul Utd 3 0 3
74 Andrew Patrick Ulthuan Athletic 3 0 3
75 Andy Garrard Teoxacotl Titans 3 0 3
76 Jonathan Bowers Bovine Slaughter 3 0 3
77 Desroziers Sylvain Reeboub Italian Beavers ... 3 0 3
78 Tyrann Castle Beastleigh Boys 3 0 3
79 Sean Hassey Zulu Nomads 3 0 3
80 Mike Pye Sartosa Raiders 3 0 3
81 John-Ross Morland Chaos Undecided 3 0 3
82 Mark Lawrenson Short on Talent 3 0 3
83 Andrew Smith Hobgoblin Gnobblers 3 0 3
84 Colin Klym 3 0 3
85 Gerald Nodin (ASSE) 2 3 1
86 Matthew Godin Bubonic Blockers 2 3 1
87 Ben Patterson Northen Wildmen 2 3 1
88 Oriol Hinestrosa Quezacoatl Flyers 2 3 1
89 Huan Quayle The Jotun Mountain Miners XI 2 3 1
90 Mark Crellin Coffin Dodgers 2 3 1
91 Pete Bull The Crookback Cripplers 2 2 2
92 Rich Dansie Naggarond Maulers 2 2 2
93 Mike Thorp The Scurvy Rats 2 2 2
94 Paul Crowcroft Deadland Tombstones 2 2 2
95 Baerbel Knoeppel Los Gomeros 2 2 2
96 Stephen Hutton Doomfire Warpraiders 2 2 2
97 Simon Ashe Waagh Bloodclaw 2 2 2
98 Stephen Canfield Dynamite Jenkins Fork 2 2 2
99 Anthony Watts Svenska Stormhammers 2 2 2
100 James Hart Malthroods Warriors 2 2 2
101 Steffen Seubert Zodiac Monarchs 2 2 2
102 Andy Jackson-Hall Badland Greenskins 2 2 2
103 Marc Hohmann Seckenheim Sinraptors 2 2 2
104 Dean Moulder The Full Mooners 2 2 2
105 Kris Mills Da Broken Fang 2 2 2
106 Jim Lanier True Sons of Faith 2 2 2
107 Geoff Thirlwell The Vonerichs 2 1 3
108 Christian Hejl Greinfental Dragons 2 1 3
109 Gunther Epp Cub-Scouts 2 1 3
110 Ryan Talbot The Scruten Scramblers 2 1 3
111 David Rew Underworld Assassins 2 1 3
112 Jorge Manuel Monzo Peree Guardabosques ... 2 1 3
113 Ben Trayhorn Hag Graef Dragons 2 1 3
114 Diego Monjes Ratos De Porao 2 1 3
115 David Van Dijk Fear Ye No Ordeal 2 1 3
116 Allan Young The Black Sea Sailors BB Club 2 1 3
117 Emyr Mortimer-Roberts Y Ddraig Goch 2 1 3
118 Torsten Blaetter Musical Mystery 2 1 3
119 Justin Vaughan Temple Guards 2 1 3
120 Ivan Djokic Gorks Fists 2 1 3
121 Anthony Dansie 2 1 3
122 Andrew Horton The Sunn Diego Croakers 2 1 3
123 Lagnel Johan Diogen-Mastakilla 2 1 3
124 Mikael Hillgren Lost Ark Raiders 2 1 3
125 Chris Hayes Pearly Wights 2 1 3
126 Tom Lumley Sekhefs Sentinels 2 1 3
127 Simon Merton Da Midnight Bommerz 2 1 3
128 Chris Lewis Living Saint My Ass 2 1 3
129 Adrian Deacon Sons of Albion 2 1 3
130 Andy Fleming 2 1 3
131 Paul Harrison Knights of Arden 2 1 3
132 Dave Palmer Black Mountain Howlers 2 1 3
133 Ian Banks Talabheim Titans 2 1 3
134 Heather Thomas Death by Shinu Shinu 2 0 4
135 Chris Blair Druchii Cutthroats 2 0 4
136 Jamie Hemmings Applethorn Assassins 2 0 4
137 Joris Bertens Har Ganeth's Ravens 2 0 4
138 Alex Wormall Booksellers of Yore 2 0 4
139 Carl Brown Da Deff Skwadd 2 0 4
140 Bertrand Madet Zardock Reavers 2 0 4
141 Scott Baird Cursed Earth Crusaders 2 0 4
142 Louis-Xavier Dauguet Naggarond Sweet Dragons 2 0 4
143 Florian Walnigg Eichbaum Killers 2 0 4
144 Dan Heller Vestmannaeyjar Volcanoes 2 0 4
145 Philip Homatidis Sand Shifters 2 0 4
146 Juergen Unfried Nordic Vikings 1 5 0
147 Shane Davey Tlaxtlan Carnosaurs 1 3 2
148 Anthony Lown Lowny's Losers 1 3 2
149 Michael Pickard Mydilburg Miners 1 3 2
150 Edwin Thorley Chiselhurst Chamaeleon 1 3 2
151 Richard Goddard Mad Dogz 1 3 2
152 Rickassel Ruediger Moguntia Wreckers 1 3 2
153 Javi Garcia Scary Scouts 1 2 3
154 David Hicks Nipponian Nighthawks 1 2 3
155 Matthew Robson The Gecko Gringos 1 2 3
156 Ron Battram Mootland Avengers 1 2 3
157 Daniel Parry Kraykem Raiders 1 2 3
158 Carl Linquist Badland Boars 1 2 3
159 Paul Ince Alcatani Adders 1 2 3
160 Valerio Catella Snake Skins 1 2 3
161 Gareth Marchant Barak-Varr Breaknecks 1 2 3
162 Mark Hawley Ka-Sabar Suns 1 2 3
163 Anke Bien Sisters of N-Key 1 1 4
164 Jim Slater Saphery Sea Dreamers 1 1 4
165 Elaine Peazold Amazonian A-Nile-Ators 1 1 4
166 Andrew Skilling Twisted Tails 1 1 4
167 Jeremiah Johnson Zititoc Avengers 1 1 4
168 Alasdair Harper Cobbs Knobs 1 1 4
169 James Jamieson Dr Seuss' Funstars 1 1 4
170 David Coughlin Soteks Warriors 1 1 4
171 Michael Ormesher The Accursed 1 1 4
172 Jez Allum Itza Bhunxua Lizards 1 0 5
173 David Irving Wildside Kindred 1 0 5
174 Tony Carr Flaming Skulls 1 0 5
175 Michael Ryan 1 0 5
176 Robin Hyde Avenbing Pheonix 1 0 5
177 Chris White The Killer Kurgans 1 0 5
178 Dave Shotter Nagas Revenge 1 0 5
179 Steven Bindon Reikland Reavers (B-Side) 1 0 5
180 Gerwyn Walters The Besbah Nunns 0 2 4
181 Daniel Welzel Naggarith Wanderers 0 2 4
182 Stephen Fase Franks Freaks 0 2 4
183 Andrew Christian Bugmans Berserkers 0 2 4
184 Chris Hastings K-otic Killers 0 1 5
185 Kenneth Smith Her Majesty's Haemaphrodites 0 1 5
186 Andrew Grierson Bad Moon Wunderstuff 0 1 5
187 Chris Smallwood Tha Goblin Chuwas 0 0 6
* Loss in O/T
+ Won in O/T
Deathwing - Jun 03, 2004 - 05:50 AM
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Better would be pure tournament points scored on the field (which after all was the criteria we were all playing under, decisive wins/narrow defeats etc) and use sportsmanship and then painting as tie-breakers.
Doubleskulls - Jun 03, 2004 - 06:24 AM
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I like scoring systems that emphase wins. IMO systems like the one used (or the PK&Qs) aren't as good as systems that only use TD difference etc to sort between people with similar records.
TiMuN - Jun 03, 2004 - 07:59 AM
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Thanx for that Ian ...
Emberbreeze - Jun 04, 2004 - 04:17 AM
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Doubleskulls wrote:
I like scoring systems that emphase wins. IMO systems like the one used (or the PK&Qs) aren't as good as systems that only use TD difference etc to sort between people with similar records.
I agree, which is why I went for the simple 3 for a win 1 for a draw and 0 for a loss for the Albion Cup. TD scored should only be used as a tie break IMO. There are usually other prizes for most TDs etc.
Aramil - Jun 04, 2004 - 05:13 AM
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Emberbreeze wrote:
I agree, which is why I went for the simple 3 for a win 1 for a draw and 0 for a loss for the Albion Cup. TD scored should only be used as a tie break IMO. There are usually other prizes for most TDs etc.
That's, in fact, one of the mostly commonly used system in Italy... and the one that will be used for the Italian Open
Mordredd - Jun 06, 2004 - 05:29 AM
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Traveller wrote:
Can someone please explain me, how this most sporting points works ?
If i got 0 points it means no awesome game, right ? Or it means real bad games to play with me ? Or just normal games ?
How to get 20 points ?
I´m just wondering as i thought i played two awesome games, but maybe my opponent coachs just say so and didnt wrote it down. Or i simple dont understand this math here ?
Traveller
It's in a table on page 3 of the 'information and rules pack'.
1 or 2 great games = +0
3 great games = +5
4 great games = +10
5 great games = +15
6 great games = +20
1 or 2 lousy games = -0
3, 4 or 5 lousy games = -10
6 lousy games = -15
So if you did get 2 awesome games you scored 0 points. You are clearly a great guy to play (like most of us I'm sure), but not exceptionally great. At least according to the opinions of your opponents.
Mordredd - Jun 06, 2004 - 05:46 AM
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Personally I really like the BB scoring system (but I suppose I would say that ).
I felt it really encouraged people to push for that extra TD rather than sitting on a 1 point lead. It certainly encouraged me to go for the big scores; more risk for more reward.
For me it's not just whether you win but also how well you win. I think 4 rounds of tie breaking is OTT (TD, CAS, Sportsmanship, Painting) and doesn't produce enough of a separation between people who win some of their games by a lot and those who win slightly more, but only by 1 TD each time. (Ok, that last bit was slightly muddled but I hope you understand what I'm trying to say.)
As a footnote I would add that despite the initial fears of many there didn't seem to be an inherent advantage for the fast teams (Skaven). They may have all risen to the top in the first 3 rounds but from round 4 the slow teams caught up (and in most cases overtook them).
Thadrin - Jun 06, 2004 - 06:14 AM
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Those standings have a flaw - the final. Surely we should credit Mordredd and Sputnik with a tie rather than a win and a loss respectively.
Puts both in the 5-1-0 group rather 6-0-0 and 5-0-1.
Not that it matters any, but credit where credit's due.
Indigo - Jun 08, 2004 - 01:28 AM
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But the final wasn't a draw...
Thadrin - Jun 08, 2004 - 01:30 AM
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It was a draw at full time, and so if it wasn't exempted for being the final it would have been a draw.
Aramil - Jun 08, 2004 - 03:22 AM
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Thadrin wrote:
It was a draw at full time, and so if it wasn't exempted for being the final it would have been a draw.
I think that point needs an ufficial clarification, becouse that may happen in all the NAF tournaments around the world:
if the final ends with a tie, so the extra time is needed... do the NAF result is a tie OR the extra time result?
LouisX - Jun 08, 2004 - 04:38 AM
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Heu...My results were put on my dark elves whereas I was playing with orcs. :/
Sputnik - Jun 08, 2004 - 05:34 AM
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if the final ends with a tie, so the extra time is needed... do the NAF result is a tie OR the extra time result?
If you declare prior to the tourny that there will be a real final (0battle for the tournament win), there must then by definition be a winner of this game (and this includes overtime, if needed). If you play for the win and lose, then you get the loss for the NAF rankings as well. Fair enough.
And there are some American NAF sanctioned tournaments which include overtime as well for non-final games, I think.
However, I second Thad for his comments with regard to Ians BB list (purely for personal reasons, of course ). It is kind of "artificial list" anyway, based on some theoretical system (and not the actual one used). It would make sense and be concise if the final would be down as a draw (pure swiss system without any exceptions for better comparison).
Sputnik
Doubleskulls - Jun 08, 2004 - 06:20 AM
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There you go
Sputnik - Jun 08, 2004 - 08:15 AM
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There you go
I certainly didn't expect you to change the list, after all. Although it looks a bit better now, somehow, don't you think?
Sputnik
P.S.: I guess now Mordredd will complain that he actually won 6 and not 5.....
Doubleskulls - Jun 08, 2004 - 08:35 AM
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I'd forgotten about Mordredd - so that's fixed. Well I've gone from 2nd to joint 1st so I can't complain
Mordredd - Jun 09, 2004 - 04:11 AM
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Sputnik wrote:
P.S.: I guess now Mordredd will complain that he actually won 6 and not 5.....
That would be rather uncharitable, don't you think?