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Hoshi_Komi - Jan 12, 2006 - 08:42 AM
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when's this thing going down? is it happening?
Ben - Jan 12, 2006 - 12:04 PM
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Yes it is. I actually have submitted it under the tourney section and i'm not sure how it gets approved, any1 know?

I have the website almost done.

www.pushpush.com

I have booked the room in the hotel and you chumps from the US better make it up.

It's going to be good.

Gken1 & Karllagerbottom - as bait, your teams will be painted and ready at the tourney for you to take home. Wink


Ben
KarlLagerbottom - Jan 12, 2006 - 01:45 PM
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Sorry dude...I still don't see it listed on the Tournies Page.
-RobO

P.S. Ken...any shot of you playing with your newly painted team at the Canadian Open?
Hoshi_Komi - Jan 12, 2006 - 02:44 PM
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when is it though? how can i finagle my way to Canada if I have no idea when it is?

this would be totally in the wife's hands though.
Notorious_jtb - Jan 12, 2006 - 03:52 PM
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Just had a look on the link Ben posted, its not fully working yet but if you click on the third unlabelled link on the left and then download the rules pdf you'll find out its on the 4th and 5th of March 06!

Is Brampton far from toronto?

Joe (english economic migrant living in ottawa)
CyberHare - Jan 12, 2006 - 04:38 PM
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      Ben wrote:
Yes it is. I actually have submitted it under the tourney section and i'm not sure how it gets approved, any1 know?


Rolling Eyes So asks the Canadian National Tournament Organizer Laughing That's ok. I'm sure you're still recovering from a third loss at the Death Bowl. Not that I get any amount of joy or sick pleasure from that fact Wink

Ahh you can just feel the love Laughing

The Canadian Open has now been approved.

Put me down as a probable yes. I just have to clear it with the boss. I'll see if I can dig up Bill as well.
Wolfhowl - Jan 12, 2006 - 11:18 PM
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Since the Canadian Open is a local tourney for me, I will be there.

All fear for the Knights of the Crimson King shale Charge!
Spazzfist - Jan 13, 2006 - 07:12 AM
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I will be attending for sure this time!

Talons, Clan-Skaven, hope you boys willbe coming out - I will look forward to showing you boys how the game is played and winning the next round of the Hair Club for Men! Laughing


Spazz
Ben - Jan 13, 2006 - 08:32 AM
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Great to hear so many poeple planning to attend already!!!!

The more i get confirmed the more i can invest in the tournament.

I should have the pre-registration sheet up on the website shortly and those that pay in advance get a free gift yet to be determined (Will be good).

Gken1 - since you started this thread, can you please add the dates of the tourney to the title.

Cyberhare - Can you please arrange to get this topic stickied?

Thanks guys.

Ben
CyberHare - Jan 13, 2006 - 09:56 AM
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Stickied & dated!

Spoke to Bill and he's interested. He also has to speak to the boss though.
Paul - Jan 13, 2006 - 03:17 PM
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I'll be there for sure Ben. Can't wait for this so I can get over that crappy performance in the Spike.
Clan_Skaven - Jan 14, 2006 - 01:22 AM
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if im not in DC i'll go (have to see if im off that weekend)

Will i play skaven orc or lizzies?

Rod
VBZ - Jan 14, 2006 - 06:47 AM
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After a recent conferance with my social coordinator I'm pleased to announce that I'll probably make it out to this thing... and if James decides to show up tell'im i still owe him a round Wink .
Spazzfist - Jan 14, 2006 - 08:58 AM
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      Clan-Skaven wrote:
if im not in DC i'll go (have to see if im off that weekend)

Will i play skaven orc or lizzies?

Rod


Play the skaven orc. I have never seen that team before! Wink
Spazzfist - Jan 14, 2006 - 09:03 AM
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A couple of things Ben,

First off, the Nurgle's Rotters are not one of the official teams allowed in the tourney. Is this an oversight?

Secondly, I am wondering whether the chaos teams are going to be allowed to take mutations as regular skills as is now the case in some tournaments. If yes, then will they be allowed to buy them as normal skills with the starting 1,250,000?


Thanks


Spazz
CyberHare - Jan 14, 2006 - 01:39 PM
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Why do monkies like milk? Wink
Wolfhowl - Jan 15, 2006 - 08:52 AM
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      Spazzfist wrote:
I am wondering whether the chaos teams are going to be allowed to take mutations as regular skills as is now the case in some tournaments. If yes, then will they be allowed to buy them as normal skills with the starting 1,250,000?


Thanks


Spazz


That would rock if it's allowed!!!!!!!
Notorious_jtb - Jan 17, 2006 - 08:34 AM
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The link to the 'Open' website in the tournament section just takes you back to the NAF homepage.....

I know the link in this thread works, but just thought it might want changed....
Ben - Jan 18, 2006 - 07:22 AM
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I have added Nurgle's Rotters to the list of available teams as it was an oversight.

With regards to mutations costing less, I would like to hear from the non chaos coaches and hear what they think.

Ben
Ben - Jan 18, 2006 - 07:24 AM
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      VBZ wrote:
After a recent conferance with my social coordinator I'm pleased to announce that I'll probably make it out to this thing... and if James decides to show up tell'im i still owe him a round Wink .


You better get your a$$ out to this thing, just think you won't be playing me. Wink

Ben
Melifaxis - Jan 18, 2006 - 07:25 AM
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"Chaos and Nurgle teams will be able to take mutations as regular rolls on chaos warriors, nurgle rotters, and beastmen. There is a limit of one Claw(s) mutation per team."

This worked well at the Brouhaha, Death Cup, and Deathbowl...
VBZ - Jan 18, 2006 - 08:42 AM
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      Ben wrote:

just think you won't be playing me. Wink

Ben



SOLD!!!! Laughing
Wolfhowl - Jan 18, 2006 - 02:06 PM
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      Ben wrote:
With regards to mutations costing less, I would like to hear from the non chaos coaches and hear what they think.

Ben


True, I'm a bit biased on that one. hehe
KarlLagerbottom - Jan 18, 2006 - 03:28 PM
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yeah...lets ask the Chaos coaches what they think about having cheap mutations. Rolling Eyes

here's another thought...lets ask the Skaven coaches if they should be able to have 0-8 Gutter Runners. Smile

-Rob

P.S. Seriously now...if mutations are clasified as a "Regular" skill for Chaos...can they be stacked?
I certainly agree with Chaos having this concession generally because it makes them more viable/fun in a tourney setting...BUT in a tourney where you can buy skills and can start with multiple players with stacked mutations...this may unbalance them.

(Just thinking outloud...not from experience or statistical analysis.)

EDIT:
A Chaos Warrior with Large Hand and Sure Hands would be a pretty nice start. Especially if he were joined by a Claw, Break Tackle Mino buddy. Twisted Evil Given that he already has Mighty Blow and Horns...this could be pretty scary.
Spazzfist - Jan 18, 2006 - 06:19 PM
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      KarlLagerbottom wrote:
here's another thought...lets ask the Skaven coaches if they should be able to have 0-8 Gutter Runners. Smile


Yeah, because that is a fair comparison.... Rolling Eyes

Before you make too much noise about it, try making a list of some other team at the 125K mark and then do the same for Chaos or Nurgle. I think that they are still at a big disadvantage. They are spending a lot of their extra cash buying skills that many of the other teams start with. Mutations give them a slight boost, but not enough to make them even comparable to the overall effectiveness of the other teams at that level. Try making a team of Amazons with lots of rerolls and most players are blodge!


Spazz
Spazzfist - Jan 18, 2006 - 06:50 PM
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Ben,

One more question - how do Goblin secret weapons fit into the scheme of things? Their cost is listed under "star players". Does this mean that they will not be allowed?


Spazz
KarlLagerbottom - Jan 18, 2006 - 08:05 PM
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      Spazzfist wrote:
      KarlLagerbottom wrote:
here's another thought...lets ask the Skaven coaches if they should be able to have 0-8 Gutter Runners. Smile


Yeah, because that is a fair comparison.... Rolling Eyes


My point here is that Chaos Players are not necesarily the best source for an unbiased voice on weather or not Mutations should be cheap.

As an occassional skaven player...if you ask me if the Skaven team should be allowed more that 4 GRs...I say yes!

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Before you make too much noise about it, try making a list of some other team at the 125K mark and then do the same for Chaos or Nurgle. I think that they are still at a big disadvantage. They are spending a lot of their extra cash buying skills that many of the other teams start with. Mutations give them a slight boost, but not enough to make them even comparable to the overall effectiveness of the other teams at that level. Try making a team of Amazons with lots of rerolls and most players are blodge!


Spazz


You're right...other teams can have loaded lineups with the skill purchasing...but only Chaos can have a STR 4 Blitzer who can pick up the ball on a 2 with a re-roll.

Same goes for the Mino with Skills that can stack...if you've never played with a Mino with Break Tackle and Claw...imagine having a Big Guy who can dodge into a cage on a 4+ then have a 2D block on any the ball carrier except for a tree. (In most cases.) Then Claw and Mighty Blow come into effect. Evil or Very Mad


I'm just saying before a blanket ruling is made one way or the other, combos need to be considered. Possibly allow only a certain number of mutations, or limit the number of stacks, or how this effects Chaos Big Guys...something. Just examine this before a decision is made.

-RobO
Spazzfist - Jan 18, 2006 - 09:07 PM
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      KarlLagerbottom wrote:
      Spazzfist wrote:
      KarlLagerbottom wrote:
here's another thought...lets ask the Skaven coaches if they should be able to have 0-8 Gutter Runners. Smile


Yeah, because that is a fair comparison.... Rolling Eyes


My point here is that Chaos Players are not necesarily the best source for an unbiased voice on weather or not Mutations should be cheap.


... and that is why Ben asked for the voice of non-chaos coaches....

      Ben wrote:
With regards to mutations costing less, I would like to hear from the non chaos coaches and hear what they think.

Ben

VBZ - Jan 19, 2006 - 04:51 AM
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Rob, Rob, Rob Laughing ... I swear to God Laughing If you have had nothing to complain about I honestly believe you'd just burst ! Laughing Laughing Laughing
KarlLagerbottom - Jan 19, 2006 - 06:28 AM
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      VBZ wrote:
Rob, Rob, Rob Laughing ... I swear to God Laughing If you have had nothing to complain about I honestly believe you'd just burst ! Laughing Laughing Laughing

I'm not complaining...I may actually bring Nurgle's Rotters to this party.
Smile

I am just trying to be objective....and point out my misgivings to asking the coach who has the most to gain about how to proceed with mutations.


Now Spazz...


      Spazzfist wrote:


... and that is why Ben asked for the voice of non-chaos coaches....

      Ben wrote:
With regards to mutations costing less, I would like to hear from the non chaos coaches and hear what they think.

Ben


...had you just pointed this out initially intstead of the smartass response, then perhaps you could have saved me a bit of explaining/time.


Hey Ben...I'm sorry...I misread yor initial post.

As a "possibly" non-Chaos coach, I believe that you may want to limit the cheap Mutations in some way so that they do not go from being a nice perk to Chaos coaches...to an unbalancing factor. Again, I like the fact that tournies have started doing this with Chaos team to promote variety, but you should be careful to not give them a blank check.

-RobO
KarlLagerbottom - Jan 19, 2006 - 06:31 AM
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Rob, Rob, Rob Laughing ... I swear to God Laughing If you have had nothing to complain about I honestly believe you'd just burst ! Laughing Laughing Laughing


P.S. Something to ponder...What would Zombie say if he read this post? Would he be upset at the mention of God, or would he be happy that someone was swearing to God?


BTW...is his Exile still in effect?
Ben - Jan 19, 2006 - 11:12 AM
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Great to hear all the discussion on the rules. Let's see we have a couple of issues to consider;

1. Do we give chaos mutations a reg skill price but limit them?
What if we limit a mutation to 2 of each kind per team. So the mutation cost the same as a reg skill but they can only have 2 claws, 2 big hands etc. Although i think Big guys should pay the reg price.

2. DO we allow Secret weapons
I say yes, they are so much fun and bring some variety to the game.
What is the latest rules on secret weapons? how much they cost? On what roll do they get ejected? etc

looking forward to your comments.

Ben
Spazzfist - Jan 19, 2006 - 12:44 PM
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If the secret weapons are allowed, then I am seriously considering bringing out a goblin team. I say allow them (although I still maintain that skaven should not be allowed 8 gutter runners! Wink)


Spazz
Ben - Jan 19, 2006 - 12:46 PM
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Another issue that Spazz brought to my attention was that under the current system, an amazon linwoman with dodge/block cost 10k less then a blitzer.

So what do we do to address this problem? hmmmm.....

Ben
Spazzfist - Jan 19, 2006 - 02:31 PM
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Maybe the secret weapons should only be allowed for goblin teams. The though of an orc team with a chainsaw is pretty scary!


Spazz
CyberHare - Jan 19, 2006 - 02:38 PM
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Hey no pickin on the ladies now. Why is that any possible advantage they might have is taken away. They have no good stars. No Big guys. No secret weapons. Bad armor. Average movement. No starting players with sure hands... Shall I go on. They're cheap and have blodge. That's it. That's all they've got. Considering I've yet to see an Amazon team blow away a tournament the way Necro, Chaos Dwarves, Woodelves, Khemri have I fail to see the point of sanctioning a team on the few points it has going for it.

Chaos Mutations should be more expensive. Advantages that are not equal across the board should be more costly.

Secret Weapons should also be more costly or not used at all. Same reason as above.
KarlLagerbottom - Jan 19, 2006 - 03:07 PM
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      CyberHare wrote:
Hey no pickin on the ladies now. Why is that any possible advantage they might have is taken away. They have no good stars. No Big guys. No secret weapons. Bad armor. Average movement. No starting players with sure hands... Shall I go on. They're cheap and have blodge. That's it. That's all they've got. Considering I've yet to see an Amazon team blow away a tournament the way Nurgle, Chaos Dwarves, Woodelves, Khemri have I fail to see the point of sanctioning a team on the few points it has going for it.

Chaos Mutations should be more expensive. Advantages that are not equal across the board should be more costly.

Secret Weapons should also be more costly or not used at all. Same reason as above.


Any thoughts on a the statement that a linewoman with Block is cheaper than the Blitzer?

Also, it looks like this roster can have multiple STR 4 Blodgers. I guess that's the use of the Blitzer in this format. (Who needs a Big Guy?)

EDIT: Two ladies with Dauntless almost seems mandatory.
KarlLagerbottom - Jan 19, 2006 - 03:16 PM
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      Ben wrote:
Great to hear all the discussion on the rules. Let's see we have a couple of issues to consider;

1. Do we give chaos mutations a reg skill price but limit them?
What if we limit a mutation to 2 of each kind per team. So the mutation cost the same as a reg skill but they can only have 2 claws, 2 big hands etc. Although i think Big guys should pay the reg price.


Generally, I've seen that Claw is limited to one. I think that what Melifaxis and gKen1 did.
To be honest, I'm more concerned abut the stackable mutations and what they might mean.


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2. DO we allow Secret weapons
I say yes, they are so much fun and bring some variety to the game.
What is the latest rules on secret weapons? how much they cost? On what roll do they get ejected? etc


I say yes to the Secret Weapons, but ask that you schedule this so that DaScum can't attend. (Sorry Dave Smile )
Seriously though...just for clarification...will these be normal gobbos with the SW, or will they have the profile of the Star Player? The main reason that I ask is for Stunty/Right Stuff...a chainsaw with Stunty seems like a pretty effective Cage Breaker...while a Pogo with "The Right Stuff" would have an easy time of a one turn score. (Assuming the Troll doesn't get hungry.) Smile

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looking forward to your comments.

Ben

KarlLagerbottom - Jan 19, 2006 - 03:16 PM
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      Spazzfist wrote:
Maybe the secret weapons should only be allowed for goblin teams. The though of an orc team with a chainsaw is pretty scary!


Spazz


This should not be allowed. Just my opinion.
CyberHare - Jan 19, 2006 - 03:16 PM
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And for the gain of a cheaper player you loose access to strength skills. So is it really cheaper?

A strength increase is 100,000gp. That's a fair chunk of change. Taking two of them means you've put all your eggs in that basket. Considering the rest of the Amazon lineup hasn't got the punch to back that up without a few added skills I'd consider that a bad way to go.
KarlLagerbottom - Jan 19, 2006 - 03:20 PM
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Consider that you have 250K more than normal to spend...I think thats pretty fair.

Bag two of the blitzers, spend the 150K on the two STR 4 Blodgers and block on the rest for 30K


-ROb

This is, of course, without looking at the rulebook and pricing.
CyberHare - Jan 19, 2006 - 03:26 PM
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150 wouldn't get you blodgers though, it would get you linechicks with strength 4. You'd need to spend another 30 to the block so they would cost you 180. Times 2 that's 360 right there for two players. With only 840 left to fill out the roster and get rerolls it would be fairly sparce.

I'm not suggesting that the strength increase should be cheaper. It's fine where it is. Simply that the strength increase isn't the best option for the Amazon team.
KarlLagerbottom - Jan 19, 2006 - 04:36 PM
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Brian-
I was just addressing the "No Big Guy" limitation...but you're the Amazon guy, so you definately know best. Wink

I'll tell you what though...this topic has really given me some ideas...this is going to be fun.

-RobO
Talons - Jan 19, 2006 - 06:19 PM
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Ben, just to let you know...I'll be there. Spazz, or should I say Geekfist, Good luck in winning the Hair Club for Men Challenge. I am the champ and Rod you had better bring the clippers. It's time for another hair cut!!! LOL!!!!!!!! See you all soon.
Spazzfist - Jan 19, 2006 - 06:29 PM
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      CyberHare wrote:
And for the gain of a cheaper player you loose access to strength skills. So is it really cheaper?

A strength increase is 100,000gp. That's a fair chunk of change. Taking two of them means you've put all your eggs in that basket. Considering the rest of the Amazon lineup hasn't got the punch to back that up without a few added skills I'd consider that a bad way to go.


I don;t understand your argument here. Access to strength skills does not mean a higher strength, so there is not the 100K argument. All the stats for amazon blitzers and linewomen are exactly the same. They both have dodge, the only starting difference is that blitzers are 40K more expensive and start with block. But for only 30K more you can upgrade a linewoman to the equivalent of a starting blitzer. True you have used one of your two skills for a player upgrade and true, you will not have access to strength skills (should you choose to buy some), but does that make it even?

Spazz

P.S. If Lagerbottom disagrees with the use of secret weapons, then that means I support it all the more! Wink

P.P.S. Listen up Talons, your luck against me has run out and I am going to be winning the next Hair Club for Men! Say good-bye to the goldilocks that your prison buddies love so much! Laughing
Talons - Jan 19, 2006 - 06:39 PM
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Ben, how many spots are available for the tourney???
Spazzfist - Jan 19, 2006 - 08:59 PM
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How many teams do you want to enter? Wink
KarlLagerbottom - Jan 19, 2006 - 09:19 PM
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      Spazzfist wrote:


P.S. If Lagerbottom disagrees with the use of secret weapons, then that means I support it all the more! Wink


Sorry Spazz...I already gave it my stamp of approval. (For whatever thats worth! Smile )
CyberHare - Jan 20, 2006 - 03:51 AM
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      Spazzfist wrote:
I don;t understand your argument here. Access to strength skills does not mean a higher strength, so there is not the 100K argument. All the stats for amazon blitzers and linewomen are exactly the same. They both have dodge, the only starting difference is that blitzers are 40K more expensive and start with block. But for only 30K more you can upgrade a linewoman to the equivalent of a starting blitzer. True you have used one of your two skills for a player upgrade and true, you will not have access to strength skills (should you choose to buy some), but does that make it even?


I was talking about two different things. Firstly the Amazon linechick with block would yes cost 10k less but you would loose access to Strength skills. That on top of eating up a skill choice doesn't make her any cheaper than a standard blitzer.

Secondly I was referring to Rob's idea of the multiple st4 blitzers. He was saying it makes up for the fact Amazons have no BG. I was saying not really because at 100K it's prohibitively expensive and would leave the rest of the team lagging behind.
Spazzfist - Jan 20, 2006 - 05:50 AM
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      KarlLagerbottom wrote:
Sorry Spazz...I already gave it my stamp of approval. (For whatever thats worth! Smile )


Don't mean your stamp of dis-approval? Smile

Care to explain why you are putting your hurt on the gobbos? Is this because the fling's don't have secret weapons like exploding creampuffs?
Paul - Jan 20, 2006 - 07:57 AM
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Well, I've been without my laptop for a while, but I'm back now, time for my opinions on the discussions at hand.


Regarding Amazons and the Block/Dodge Linewomen being cheeper than the Blizters. So what, they're Amazons. I think Brians record with them last year speaks for its self. They can't move any faster, they certainly can't take a hit once they do go down, let him field 11 Blodge linewoman, build your team with a couple tackles and take advantage of those chicks in the skimpy armor.

Secret Weapons - allow them on goblin teams. What will they take? A chainsaw? maybe, but its a goblin with it, just blitz him once he gets it started and the gobo should be done for the day. A pogo stick? In my 10+ years of blood bowl, I've never seen one used seriously in a game. I used once cause GW threw one in with an order I made with them a few years back, but I havn't even finished painting the guy let alone seen it used in a game. Bombs? Hell, I say every team should be required to take a player with bombs, they're fun, who cares. Ball and Chain? yea, this guy can be pretty scary, but with no tackle zone (hes got no tackle zone right?) he should be easy enough to avoid for all but mummys and dwarfs, and most of the time he winds up dieing at the end of his turn himself.

Other races should not have access to secret weapons in my opinion, they're good enough as it is. Although if you were to let the Dwarfs have a deathroller Smile (I mean come on, these guys get no big guy, if you're going to compensate the Amazons for no big guy (or gal) then you gotta let the dwarfs have a death roller, and at half price Smile )

Chaos Mutations, I'm going off of what I remember from last year, as I can't seem to access the website for this year (school is blocking it due to "sex" what the hell did you put on the site Ben??) I'm not a huge fan of this, mostly, cause I don't like you loosers who play Chaos Very Happy In past tournaments it worked because you could limit stuff like Claw to 1 per team and you usually couldn't stack your skills (so a guy with Big Hand wasn't getting Sure Hands as well, the guy with Claw wouldn't get block etc) If you were to allow them, I'd say that non-Big Guys to prevent a very scary looking Minotaur (someone already mentioned Claw/Break Tackle.) I also think that there are better skills to get than to load up on the mutations for your team. Most of the mutations are usless (Extra Arms, Two Heads) unless you get them as your 3rd or 4th skill on a player, and that can't happen in this tournament. I'm not really opposed to this, mostly because the guys who play Chaos are usually down near the bottom of tournaments while I'm up top (thats 2 shots at Spazz in 1 paragraph, ZING) maybe we can reach some kinda happy middle ground and charge Chaos (and Skaven) teams +10 k for a mutation. Honestly, if you're going to let the Chaos get mutations as regular skills, you gotta let the Skaven do it too.

Anyways, this is some good talk, I can't wait for the tournament, see you chumps there.
Spazzfist - Jan 20, 2006 - 08:32 AM
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A pogo stick? In my 10+ years of blood bowl, I've never seen one used seriously in a game.


Then you should have stuck around for the Stunty Cup at last year's Q'ermitt! In the Deathbowl round a goblin on a pogo stick had to leap once and go for it all four times to make the winning touchdown! Very Happy

Mind you, that is the only time I have seen that thing work well too.....



Spazz
Ben - Jan 20, 2006 - 08:57 AM
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      Paul wrote:
Other races should not have access to secret weapons in my opinion, they're good enough as it is. Although if you were to let the Dwarfs have a deathroller Smile (I mean come on, these guys get no big guy, if you're going to compensate the Amazons for no big guy (or gal) then you gotta let the dwarfs have a death roller, and at half price Smile )
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Why not? if all races are able to take them then it makes it a fair playing ground.

What races cannot have secret wepaons? is it only elves?

With regards to the Amazons, i'm leaning on leaving it as is as the amazons do need the extra help. Girls shouldn't be playing Bloodbowl!

Ben
Hoshi_Komi - Jan 20, 2006 - 10:16 AM
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I could make a really mean khemri team with these rules..........
Spazzfist - Jan 20, 2006 - 10:34 AM
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      Ben wrote:

Why not? if all races are able to take them then it makes it a fair playing ground.

What races cannot have secret wepaons? is it only elves?


How official are the rules for the non-goblin secret weapons? I know that in the LRB the Dark elves have the poisoned dagger and the dwarves have the deathroller, but how official are the rules for buying secret weapons for other teams?
KarlLagerbottom - Jan 20, 2006 - 10:50 AM
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      Paul wrote:
Honestly, if you're going to let the Chaos get mutations as regular skills, you gotta let the Skaven do it too.


I don't see this...if you let the Skaven have mutations cheap...they'll run away with the tourney. (Literally Smile )

Seriously though...for us this was done only as a concession for Chaos who is an extremely weak Tourney team without the help. Skaven are competitive just as they are.


      Ben wrote:
With regards to the Amazons, i'm leaning on leaving it as is as the amazons do need the extra help. Girls shouldn't be playing Bloodbowl!
Ben


Ben...I don't think you should change it necessarily, but a team of 11 Blodgers is abusive. (Sorry Brian...that's just my opinion.) No team needs so much extra help that it should be difficult to knock over anyone on the team as a handicap.

Well maybe Halflings. Smile
VBZ - Jan 20, 2006 - 10:54 AM
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I have a quick question: if I were inclined to, say, play a race other than humans ,but have no time to paint up a team in the next month, is there somebody out there ( who is attending the tourney) who could lend me the following:

-A painted High Elf team consisting of 9 linemen and 2 Dragonwarriors.

-A painted Norse team including an ogre.

- Something to help me get rid of my shite a$$ luck. Wink

I, of course, will be very protective of any team under my care -- hell if I like the paint I might even offer to buy.

Just checking so let me know,

Billy.
VBZ - Jan 20, 2006 - 11:24 AM
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      Ben wrote:

Gken1 & Karllagerbottom - as bait, your teams will be painted and ready at the tourney for you to take home. Wink


Ben


Do you paint for hire Ben?
Spazzfist - Jan 20, 2006 - 12:21 PM
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      KarlLagerbottom wrote:
      Paul wrote:
Honestly, if you're going to let the Chaos get mutations as regular skills, you gotta let the Skaven do it too.


I don't see this...if you let the Skaven have mutations cheap...they'll run away with the tourney. (Literally Smile )

Seriously though...for us this was done only as a concession for Chaos who is an extremely weak Tourney team without the help. Skaven are competitive just as they are.


Wow KL, we actually agree on something here! This could be the dawning of a new era where you and I learn to confer with one another, agreeing and being ont he same level with the more trying questions of Blood Bowl debate that have been plaguing us since the inception of the LRB. A new day dawns my friend.....

      KarlLagerbottom wrote:
Seriously though...for us this was done only as a concession for Chaos who is an extremely weak Tourney team without the help. Skaven are competitive just as they are.No team needs so much extra help that it should be difficult to knock over anyone on the team as a handicap.

Well maybe Halflings. Smile


You had to ruin it didn't you.... Mad Razz

Boo 'flings! Twisted Evil
Spazzfist - Jan 20, 2006 - 12:39 PM
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      VBZ wrote:
I have a quick question: if I were inclined to, say, play a race other than humans ,but have no time to paint up a team in the next month, is there somebody out there ( who is attending the tourney) who could lend me the following:

-A painted High Elf team consisting of 9 linemen and 2 Dragonwarriors.

-A painted Norse team including an ogre.

- Something to help me get rid of my shite a$$ luck. Wink

I, of course, will be very protective of any team under my care -- hell if I like the paint I might even offer to buy.

Just checking so let me know,

Billy.


I might have the ogres done by then, they are good tourney team aren't they? Razz El Asso Wipo will break all other teams over his knee..... like so! Other than that I think I have some woodies kicking around somewhere! Very Happy
Ben - Jan 20, 2006 - 12:48 PM
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      VBZ wrote:
      Ben wrote:

Gken1 & Karllagerbottom - as bait, your teams will be painted and ready at the tourney for you to take home. Wink


Ben


Do you paint for hire Ben?


Not anymore. Ken & Rob's team was the first and last team i will ever paint.

Ben
VBZ - Jan 20, 2006 - 12:52 PM
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Crap
Paul - Jan 20, 2006 - 01:11 PM
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ok, I can put this debate to bed once and for all...

      Spazzfist wrote:

Secondly, I am wondering whether the chaos teams are going to be allowed to take mutations as regular skills as is now the case in some tournaments.


Yes

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If yes, then will they be allowed to buy them as normal skills with the starting 1,250,000?


no


Problem Solved


I say let them have their mutations, but make them cost 40,000 instead of 30,000.
Spazzfist - Jan 20, 2006 - 01:39 PM
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Paul, even with the mutations costing 30K have you tried making a viable chaos team for this tourney? I still feel that the chaos teams are a huge disadvantage, the mutations just make them a bit more fun to play.

Sorry man, but just because you say yes or no, does not mean the debate ends there! Razz

Spazz
Paul - Jan 20, 2006 - 01:43 PM
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It should Smile
Spazzfist - Jan 21, 2006 - 08:49 AM
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      Paul wrote:
It should Smile


You know, Zombie's suspension is up, and he is going to be pretty pissed if you are muscling in on his "my word is law" turf. Laughing
Spazzfist - Jan 21, 2006 - 08:56 AM
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Okay, I have pre-registered for the event! I entered goblins as my team for now, as I am almost done painting them and think they would be a hoot to play. however, there is still more than a month for me to come to my senses, so this may change!

Need to know though Ben, are goblins going to have their secret weapons?


Spazz
KarlLagerbottom - Jan 21, 2006 - 06:16 PM
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Ben-
I tried to pre-reg yesterday but got an error message. Since there is nowhere to see who is currently registered, can you tell me if you got my submission?

-Rob
Wolfhowl - Jan 22, 2006 - 09:44 PM
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I have also pre-reged, but after filling out the form, it didn't seem to do anything. Do I still pay at the door, pre-reg or no? Do you send me an e-mail with details on where to send the money? Anything like that?
KarlLagerbottom - Jan 22, 2006 - 09:52 PM
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      Paul wrote:


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If yes, then will they be allowed to buy them as normal skills with the starting 1,250,000?


no


I don't get this answer...how else would you get skills if you didn't purchase them with the initial 1,250,000 GC? Is there a more granular break-down of the cash.?Is it strictly a TR 100 Roster with 250K in upgrades, or can you spend the whole amount however you like?

-RobO
Paul - Jan 23, 2006 - 12:19 AM
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Rob - I was joking around with the answer, yes they could get mutations as regular skills, but only on a skill roll, of which, there are none in the tournament.

As for the roster, I know last year (and I assume this year will be the same) you could spend the money any way you want.

ie, you can go with a human team that includes: 4 Blizters (360k), 2 Throwers (140k), 4 Catchers (280k) 6 Linemen (300k), 3 ReRolls (150k) and 2 Fan Factor with no extra skills and a TR of 125.

or you can play halflings and take 11 Halflings, (330k), 2 Skills for each of them (22 skills = 660k), 4 Rerolls(240k) and 2 Fan Fanfactor with a TR of 59.

Ideally, you want to find something in between these two spending levels. (although, 2 skills on every fling is intriguing, anyone want to bite at the roster Smile )
Spazzfist - Jan 23, 2006 - 07:11 AM
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      KarlLagerbottom wrote:
      Paul wrote:


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If yes, then will they be allowed to buy them as normal skills with the starting 1,250,000?


no


I don't get this answer...how else would you get skills if you didn't purchase them with the initial 1,250,000 GC?


My bad. I didn;t read the rules that there were no skill advances throught he tourney. Embarassed
CyberHare - Jan 23, 2006 - 10:31 AM
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Breaking news....

Zombie will be at the Canadian Open

Ok not so breaking.
Spazzfist - Jan 23, 2006 - 10:49 AM
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Just heart breaking! Laughing
Ben - Jan 23, 2006 - 12:19 PM
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*Update*

The website has been updated to show who has registered.

I will hopefully very soon add an option to prepay which will be able to guarantee you a spot and get a special gift.

I think the limit is 30 people confortably for this room at the hotel, i will double check when i visit the hotel this week.

I am leaning towards leaving the mutations as is and them costing 50 gold, and i'm not sure on the Secret weapons yet, its either:
1. all races that are allowed have access to them
2. only goblins may take them.

I will need to do some more homework before i can make these decisions.

Thanks for all the input.

Ben
Spazzfist - Jan 23, 2006 - 12:47 PM
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      Ben wrote:
I'm not sure on the Secret weapons yet, its either:
1. all races that are allowed have access to them
2. only goblins may take them.


Personally, I might allow other teams to have secret weapons, provided that they are part of their normal allowances according ot the LRB.

This way you can have dark elf daggers and dwarf death rollers, but no orcs and mummies with chainsaws.

Just my two cents,


Spazz
KarlLagerbottom - Jan 23, 2006 - 01:06 PM
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Hmmm...Ogre Fanatic.

EDIT: Halfling Fanatic is even better. Smile Little guy with a big fruitcake on the end of a chain. Geez...you know how heavy those things are? Man...I wouldn't want to get hit with one of those!
Spazzfist - Jan 23, 2006 - 02:05 PM
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      KarlLagerbottom wrote:
Hmmm...Ogre Fanatic.

EDIT: Halfling Fanatic is even better. Smile Little guy with a big fruitcake on the end of a chain. Geez...you know how heavy those things are?


I dunno.... what do you weigh Talons? Laughing
Paul - Jan 23, 2006 - 03:24 PM
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      Spazzfist wrote:
      Ben wrote:
I'm not sure on the Secret weapons yet, its either:
1. all races that are allowed have access to them
2. only goblins may take them.


Personally, I might allow other teams to have secret weapons, provided that they are part of their normal allowances according ot the LRB.

This way you can have dark elf daggers and dwarf death rollers, but no orcs and mummies with chainsaws.

Just my two cents,


Spazz


I'd love to see that mummy get the chainsaw started Smile
KarlLagerbottom - Jan 23, 2006 - 07:08 PM
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      Paul wrote:
I'd love to see that mummy get the chainsaw started Smile


Started? Would'nt he just club people with it? Smile
Spazzfist - Jan 23, 2006 - 07:13 PM
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      Paul wrote:
I'd love to see that mummy get the chainsaw started Smile


Well knowing my luck he would when he played me - and then you just try to knock down a S5 player with a chainsaw! Shocked
KarlLagerbottom - Jan 23, 2006 - 07:26 PM
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Hey, BTW...what was the final decision on mutations for Skaven....just Chaos for 50K Mutations?

-Rob
Spazzfist - Jan 23, 2006 - 07:30 PM
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I would think that if they get mutations on doubles, then they could pay the 50K and get mutations.

Which then supports the idea that chaos (as an already weaker tourney team) could use the boost, (and will also encourage the chaos coaches to come out) if you let them have the 30K mutations.
VBZ - Jan 24, 2006 - 12:55 AM
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I seriously think giving Skaven mutations access is a mistake. It's not like they need the extra help...
KarlLagerbottom - Jan 24, 2006 - 03:01 PM
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I think they shoud only be able to have them as doubles skills...it wouldn't be fair to let them have them cheaply...I just thought I'd ask since it looks like everything is fair game now since it looks like everyone will have Secret Weapons access. I think that this is a mistake...and that ONLY Gobbos should get SW access...I think anything else will be broken. (Especially Orcs or Ogres having SW access.)
AnthonyTBBF - Jan 24, 2006 - 03:14 PM
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Ben - can we change our race if we want? I pre-reg'd and chose Orcs but I think I might try somehing else.
Ben - Jan 24, 2006 - 03:19 PM
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      AnthonyTBBF wrote:
Ben - can we change our race if we want? I pre-reg'd and chose Orcs but I think I might try somehing else.


Yes of course. Thats just to give people an idea of what to expect.

Ben
Hoshi_Komi - Jan 24, 2006 - 04:58 PM
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so put in the team you're not going to play.....everyone put FLINGS!!
KarlLagerbottom - Jan 24, 2006 - 05:45 PM
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Spazz-

I'm loving the new Avatar!

-Rob
Spazzfist - Jan 24, 2006 - 07:50 PM
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Thanks man, it's a shot of me fumbling the ball for the 100th time at the Spike!
Kolja_TBBF - Jan 25, 2006 - 01:07 PM
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Guys, I am, like, soooo gonna win this thing. Omigod!

Kolja "back off and get your own trophy" E.
Kolja_TBBF - Jan 25, 2006 - 05:03 PM
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Chaos mutations:
Maybe you should allow chaos to get mutations at the regular cost (a doubles roll) but no more than one of each mutation per team.

Really, the big ones are claw, big hand, razor sharp claws, tentacles, very long legs.

I was tempted to take chaos for this tourney but even at 1250k, it's not a good team without a mutation or two.

BTW, the rules for the Canadian open aren't clear that you cannot take mutations already. A strict reading implies that you can only take skills and no traits, actually.

Kolja
AnthonyTBBF - Jan 25, 2006 - 07:25 PM
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When I originally wrote those rules the intention was that the doubles roll was for anything you normally need to roll doubles in for.
Spazzfist - Jan 25, 2006 - 07:28 PM
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But keep in mind that there are several tournaments out there now that rtealize that even with a few mutations chaos are not a really tournament worthy team. But allowing the chaos coaches to have a few of them as regular skills encourages their play.

I will not be playing chaos, but feel that they should be having their mutations at 30K each.
KarlLagerbottom - Jan 25, 2006 - 07:36 PM
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I agree.

-RobO
AnthonyTBBF - Jan 26, 2006 - 07:56 AM
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I think they should be 50K each to keep it in line with doubles purchases for other races, espeically Skaven.
Spazzfist - Jan 26, 2006 - 10:50 AM
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While it is nice to have everything and everyone treated the same, it is also nice to encourage some variety by cutting the chaos coaches soem slack.

Even with the discount, the chaos team sucks. Let them have it cheaper and enjoy playing with more mutations. Skaven should still have to pay full price as they are a very competitive team in tournaments and do not need the extra help (or encouragement to get people to play them).

I mean c'mon, if Lagerbottom and I can agree..... Smile


EDIT - haven't heard what your decision is on the goblin secret weapons yet. Approve the quick before Kolja and Anthony put their brand of hate on them! Wink
Spazzfist - Jan 26, 2006 - 01:04 PM
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      Kolja_TBBF wrote:
As for secret weapons, I think only gobbos should be able to get them. Allow the gobbos to buy the secret weapons stars (LRB4) for their team. So NobblaBlackwart would cost 80k to add to the gobbo roster.

Kolja


I agree
Kolja_TBBF - Jan 26, 2006 - 01:39 PM
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So skaven can get mutations for 50k each? Woot! Maybe I will switch to skaven.
You are kidding, right? I can get a claw for a storm vermin? Somehow, I was under the impression that no one could buy mutations in the tourneys back in the day....
Spazzfist - Jan 26, 2006 - 01:41 PM
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      Kolja_TBBF wrote:
If you allow chaos to get 30k mutations, I will play a chaos team. I promise.


See? I told you it would encourage more chaos teams to play! Razz
Kolja_TBBF - Jan 26, 2006 - 01:43 PM
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If you allow chaos to get 30k mutations, I will play a chaos team. I promise. I would take a claw and a big hand and that's about it. Make sure to limit it to 1 type of mutation/team.

To be honest, I am not sure if they need it but they are a pretty crappy team at low TR -- they rely too much on luck to win a tourney.

Kolja
Spazzfist - Jan 26, 2006 - 01:43 PM
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It look like I am psychic! According to the forum, I am quoting Kolja before he says anything! Razz
Kolja_TBBF - Jan 26, 2006 - 01:47 PM
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As for secret weapons, I think only gobbos should be able to get them. Allow the gobbos to buy the secret weapons stars (LRB4) for their team. So NobblaBlackwart would cost 80k to add to the gobbo roster.

Kolja
Wolfhowl - Jan 26, 2006 - 02:05 PM
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I'll just add that I plan on playing Chaos, no matter what the result of this debate is.
KarlLagerbottom - Jan 26, 2006 - 02:14 PM
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      Kolja_TBBF wrote:
So skaven can get mutations for 50k each? Woot! Maybe I will switch to skaven.
You are kidding, right? I can get a claw for a storm vermin? Somehow, I was under the impression that no one could buy mutations in the tourneys back in the day....


I always thought that Mutations were ok for Chaos and Skaven before as long as they were taken after Game 3's Double Skill slot. (Assuming what seemed to be the standard skill progression that alot of North American tournies used.)

However, in an effort to make Cahos a more viable Tourney option...alot of tournies in 2005 allowed Chaos to take mutations in place of their normal skills. After each game...but they could not be stacked.

This tourney makes the discussion a bit cloudier because players can stack basic skills. This seemed to open up the possibility of Chaos playes being able to stack skills and mutations OR two mutations even. There are some pretty scary combo's out there. Well the Chaos Warrior that I mentioned before with Big Hand and Sure Hands might not be scary exactly from a bashy perspective...but he sure would make a nice ball carrier. However, if stacking with skills and mutations is not permitted than Chaos isn't going to cut it in a tourney with all of the other teams being as juicy.

Just my 2 cents.
-Rob
Kolja_TBBF - Jan 26, 2006 - 02:26 PM
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There is a limit of 2 skills or one stat increase or 1 doubles roll. That means not stacking of mutations with anything.
K
Kolja_TBBF - Jan 26, 2006 - 02:35 PM
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To be honest, with 50k mutations on Chaos, I would rather take Block/MB (60k) over Claw (50k).

And Sure Hands (30k) over Big Hand (50k)

Kolja
KarlLagerbottom - Jan 26, 2006 - 03:01 PM
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      Kolja_TBBF wrote:
There is a limit of 2 skills or one stat increase or 1 doubles roll. That means not stacking of mutations with anything.
K


That's true...assuming of course that the mutations are a doubles roll as per LRB 4...and not a regular skill roll as per the recent trend of NAF tournaments in North America.(Made as an inducement for Chaos coaches to allow for variety.)

Just looking for the clarification of the TO.
Kolja_TBBF - Jan 26, 2006 - 03:05 PM
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Good point! I hadn't thought of that.
K
Spazzfist - Jan 26, 2006 - 03:22 PM
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      Kolja_TBBF wrote:
To be honest, with 50k mutations on Chaos, I would rather take Block/MB (60k) over Claw (50k).

And Sure Hands (30k) over Big Hand (50k)


And there you have it.

One of the beauties of playing Chaos is for the opportunity to take mutations. But as Kolja points out here is there are much better (and cheaper) options in the regular skills than mutations.

In the end, the mutations do not overpower the chaos team, and allow for some interesting variations. Allow it for chaos, but not for skaven.

...and how about them secret weapons Ben? Wink
AnthonyTBBF - Jan 26, 2006 - 06:20 PM
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You're gonna live to regret that statement when the first Skaven team you play spills your guts all over the pitch.
CyberHare - Jan 26, 2006 - 07:13 PM
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Forget spilling your guts. It's going to be the one turn score festival. Neutral
Spazzfist - Jan 26, 2006 - 07:42 PM
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What part of this being a boost for chaos and not for skaven is not getting through here?
Paul - Jan 26, 2006 - 08:50 PM
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Skaven can still take a mutation for 50k according to the rules.

That being said, you can get a Long Legs gutter Runner for 50k, but then you'd have to rely on a ton of pushbacks etc for him to score in 1 turn. Its not the easiest way to do it.
AnthonyTBBF - Jan 26, 2006 - 09:23 PM
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      Spazzfist wrote:
What part of this being a boost for chaos and not for skaven is not getting through here?


While we're at it, we should make Halflings ST3. Wink
Ben - Jan 26, 2006 - 09:33 PM
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Damn - you guys are making me think to much.

I've decided to leave costs as is.

Mutations for chaos and skaven cost 50k and they can only have one per player.

We will see how that works out this year and perhaps we will change it for next year.

As for secret weapons, im still up in the air over this one. I will have a decision on that tomorrow so you can all begin preperation.

Ben
Kolja_TBBF - Jan 26, 2006 - 09:42 PM
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Ben, I think you should limit it to 1 mutation of each type/team.

And this doesn't help chaos, only skaven Wink

Kolja
KarlLagerbottom - Jan 26, 2006 - 09:42 PM
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      AnthonyTBBF wrote:
      Spazzfist wrote:
What part of this being a boost for chaos and not for skaven is not getting through here?


While we're at it, we should make Halflings ST3. Wink



YES!!! Finally!!!!

Why is this man not still the NAF Presidente?

Smile
AnthonyTBBF - Jan 26, 2006 - 10:07 PM
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I was too busy fixing elections.
Ben - Jan 27, 2006 - 08:24 AM
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      Kolja_TBBF wrote:
Ben, I think you should limit it to 1 mutation of each type/team.

And this doesn't help chaos, only skaven Wink

Kolja


Nope. You can take as many mutations of any type as you like.

I really don't believe people will be stacking that much on claw for example.

When i took skaven last year i didn't take one mutation because of the cost.

Ben
Kolja_TBBF - Jan 27, 2006 - 08:31 AM
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I'd be very tempted to take 2 Claw stormvermin.

Hmmm, maybe I will. Hmmmm.
Smile

K
AnthonyTBBF - Jan 27, 2006 - 08:48 AM
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Two Claws on each one! Hell they have two arms, why not.
Spazzfist - Jan 27, 2006 - 08:50 AM
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... and aren't their tails prehensile as well? Smile
Paul - Jan 27, 2006 - 08:54 AM
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And they have razor sharp fangs Smile


If you take 2 claws for the stormvirmine, whos going to take down the annoying catcher/blitzer with the ball and dodge?

I gotta agree with Ben, taking mutations for the skaven team isn't really worth it because of the cost.
Hoshi_Komi - Jan 27, 2006 - 09:07 AM
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from what i've seen at tourneys where chaos got mutation access as normal is that mightyblow is more effective than either claw or rsf.
Wolfhowl - Jan 27, 2006 - 09:11 AM
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Just to make sure I understand the current set up correctly,

For chaos, this team would be legal, correct?

http://www.bloodbowl.net/teams/Wolfhowl/Knights+of+the+Crimson+King+Tourney.html

Wolfhowl
Paul - Jan 27, 2006 - 09:55 AM
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That roster looks legal to me.


Mino with a claw can be nasty, but I see a ton of 6's and 8's in your injury rolls Smile (always happens when I get a player with Claw/MB)
AnthonyTBBF - Jan 27, 2006 - 10:46 AM
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If I was playing Skaven I dunno if I could resist taking a Stormvermin with Claw.
Kolja_TBBF - Jan 27, 2006 - 11:56 AM
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Yoikes! Scary roster!

My necros look so underpowered compared to that....
Paul - Jan 27, 2006 - 03:09 PM
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I got a question about the mutations. I'm assuming that they all have to be modeled properly right? ie, some guy can't give up the 4 points in the representitive category in painting to take a team of 11 Linerats all with claws and not actually modeling 11 Linerats with claws.
AnthonyTBBF - Jan 27, 2006 - 04:41 PM
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Not unless he wants a beating in the parking lot.
KarlLagerbottom - Jan 27, 2006 - 05:46 PM
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      AnthonyTBBF wrote:
Not unless he wants a beating in the parking lot.


Ok ok...before anyone gets too worked up...I will be sure that I model all of my Flings so that they properly represent a STR 3 Halfling.

Happy Now? Rolling Eyes
Paul - Jan 27, 2006 - 06:02 PM
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Well, I was referring about mutations. But really, if your Str 3 Flings aren't modeled right, keep your head up Very Happy
Wolfhowl - Jan 27, 2006 - 09:00 PM
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      Paul wrote:
I got a question about the mutations. I'm assuming that they all have to be modeled properly right? ie, some guy can't give up the 4 points in the representitive category in painting to take a team of 11 Linerats all with claws and not actually modeling 11 Linerats with claws.


That's a good point. Will I get in trouble for not haveing a Big Handed Beastman and a Mino with claws? (I don't have them)
Spazzfist - Jan 27, 2006 - 09:37 PM
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I can bring a big hand beastman that I converted if you would like to borrow him. Alternatively, try to get your hands on an old school pink or blue horror from GW. A quick snip and pin job will make for a super big hand beastman.


Spazz
Paul - Jan 28, 2006 - 12:29 AM
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Same thing with an old school daemonette of Slaanesh for a claw. There might be some stuff you can use on a chaos mutation sprue as well.
Spazzfist - Jan 28, 2006 - 09:50 AM
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Actually I think some of the old fiends of Slanesh might work better for that, they had claws that would be more suitable for something as big as a minotaur.
Baccuus2099 - Jan 28, 2006 - 01:04 PM
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You have stated the Mutations cost 50k each, but they still count as regular skills. Does that mean that someone could have both Big Hands and Sure Hands on the same beastman?
Paul - Jan 28, 2006 - 02:28 PM
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no, a player may have 2 regular skills, or 1 skill/trait that they would get on a doubles roll or a player may have 1 stat increase, you need a doubles to get a mutation, so, you cannot give a player with a mutation any other skills/stat enhancements.
Spazzfist - Jan 28, 2006 - 05:20 PM
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.... still waiting for word on the secret weapons......
Paul - Jan 28, 2006 - 10:19 PM
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Screw the secret weapons, we gotta figure out where the partys going to be Saturday night? Garth? BikerBob? Twist? We gotta get something happening. Smile
Spazzfist - Jan 29, 2006 - 10:18 AM
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Maybe getting you guys too hung over to play on Sunday is my secret weapon! Twisted Evil


Spazz
Ben - Jan 29, 2006 - 06:53 PM
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      Spazzfist wrote:
.... still waiting for word on the secret weapons......


OK Guys, some of may like and some of you won't but secret weapons will be allowed to all races as per the chart below:

GW OFFICIAL BLOOD BOWL SECRET WEAPONS

Weapon Cost Penalty Roll Teams used by
Ball & Chain 20,000 8+ Goblin

Blunderbuss 30,000 10+ Chaos Dwarf, Dwarf, Human, Skaven (Jezzail)

Chainsaw 60,000 8+ Amazon, Chaos, Chaos Dwarf, Dark Elf, Dwarf, Goblin, Human, Norse, Orc, Skaven, Undead

Death Roller 90,000 7+ Dwarf (Longbeards only)

Explosive Bomb 40,000 8+ Chaos Dwarf, Dwarf, Goblin

Pogo Stick 20,000 10+ Goblin

Poisoned Dagger 30,000 10+ Amazon, Chaos, Dark Elf, Human, Lizardmen, Skaven

I think if any coach is willing to pay the expense on a secret weapon and take the chance on having being kicked out of the game then why not.

Even with secret weapons being allowed i don't see many coaches taken them other then goblin coaches.

I hope by allowing secret weapons it creates more variety to the teams and allows coaches more flexibilty to create their perfect team they believe will winn the 2006 Canadian Open!!

I will post the chart along with the rules on secret weapons to the website within the next couple of days.

I look forward to seeing all the creative rosters on March 4th.
Ben - Jan 29, 2006 - 06:57 PM
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      Paul wrote:
Screw the secret weapons, we gotta figure out where the partys going to be Saturday night? Garth? BikerBob? Twist? We gotta get something happening. Smile


I actually am planning something at the Firkin and Frigate. It's a nice pub where we will be able to see the hockey game (leafs vs ottawa) and they also have a pool table.

I am trying to work out a deal with the owner and get a discount on food etc. I will post all the details on the website.

Ben
Ben - Jan 29, 2006 - 07:01 PM
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      Paul wrote:
I got a question about the mutations. I'm assuming that they all have to be modeled properly right? ie, some guy can't give up the 4 points in the representitive category in painting to take a team of 11 Linerats all with claws and not actually modeling 11 Linerats with claws.


If you don't have models which properly represent mutations or secret weapons, you will lose points for painting under the 'representation' category. There is only a possibility of losing up to 4 points. It's not much.

Ben
Paul - Jan 29, 2006 - 08:00 PM
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If you don't have models which properly represent mutations or secret weapons, you will lose points for painting under the 'representation' category. There is only a possibility of losing up to 4 points. It's not much.


So, someone could just say this model has this mutation if they don't mind loosing the 4 points. Hmm, I say they should have to have the model properly converted in order to use the mutation. I think most people will actually do the conversions, but I'm sure there will someone who will decide to abuse it (11 Linerats w/Claw etc.)
KarlLagerbottom - Jan 29, 2006 - 09:18 PM
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      Ben wrote:
      Spazzfist wrote:
.... still waiting for word on the secret weapons......


OK Guys, some of may like and some of you won't but secret weapons will be allowed to all races as per the chart below:

GW OFFICIAL BLOOD BOWL SECRET WEAPONS

Weapon Cost Penalty Roll Teams used by
Ball & Chain 20,000 8+ Goblin

Blunderbuss 30,000 10+ Chaos Dwarf, Dwarf, Human, Skaven (Jezzail)

Chainsaw 60,000 8+ Amazon, Chaos, Chaos Dwarf, Dark Elf, Dwarf, Goblin, Human, Norse, Orc, Skaven, Undead

Death Roller 90,000 7+ Dwarf (Longbeards only)

Explosive Bomb 40,000 8+ Chaos Dwarf, Dwarf, Goblin

Pogo Stick 20,000 10+ Goblin

Poisoned Dagger 30,000 10+ Amazon, Chaos, Dark Elf, Human, Lizardmen, Skaven

I think if any coach is willing to pay the expense on a secret weapon and take the chance on having being kicked out of the game then why not.

Even with secret weapons being allowed i don't see many coaches taken them other then goblin coaches.

I hope by allowing secret weapons it creates more variety to the teams and allows coaches more flexibilty to create their perfect team they believe will winn the 2006 Canadian Open!!

I will post the chart along with the rules on secret weapons to the website within the next couple of days.

I look forward to seeing all the creative rosters on March 4th.


Ben-
Two questions...

1. Aside from budgetary limitations, is there any limit to the amount or type of secret weapons that a team can have? For example...can a Dwarf Team have multiple Death Rollers?

2. If the Ref throws a secret weapon player out of the game, is he gone for that specific game, or for the rest of the tourney?

3a. Will the player with the secret weapon have the stat profile of the Star Player with that Secret Weapon, or the profile of the player carrying it?

3b. If it has the profile of a roster player, is it only on linmen of a specific team, or could it be a positional?

-Rob
Paul - Jan 29, 2006 - 09:30 PM
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. Aside from budgetary limitations, is there any limit to the amount or type of secret weapons that a team can have? For example...can a Dwarf Team have multiple Death Rollers?


say yes, I gotta use that second death roller I won at the Spike for something. Unless someone wants to trade something for it, its just sitting on my shelf.
KarlLagerbottom - Jan 29, 2006 - 09:34 PM
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Paul-
I'm looking for one of them...what would you like for it? PM me if you're interested.

-Rob
KarlLagerbottom - Jan 29, 2006 - 09:35 PM
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Ben-
One other thing...can the Ogre Team take any of these Secret Weapons guys?

-Rob
Ben - Jan 29, 2006 - 10:47 PM
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      KarlLagerbottom wrote:
      Ben wrote:
      Spazzfist wrote:
.... still waiting for word on the secret weapons......


OK Guys, some of may like and some of you won't but secret weapons will be allowed to all races as per the chart below:

GW OFFICIAL BLOOD BOWL SECRET WEAPONS

Weapon Cost Penalty Roll Teams used by
Ball & Chain 20,000 8+ Goblin

Blunderbuss 30,000 10+ Chaos Dwarf, Dwarf, Human, Skaven (Jezzail)

Chainsaw 60,000 8+ Amazon, Chaos, Chaos Dwarf, Dark Elf, Dwarf, Goblin, Human, Norse, Orc, Skaven, Undead

Death Roller 90,000 7+ Dwarf (Longbeards only)

Explosive Bomb 40,000 8+ Chaos Dwarf, Dwarf, Goblin

Pogo Stick 20,000 10+ Goblin

Poisoned Dagger 30,000 10+ Amazon, Chaos, Dark Elf, Human, Lizardmen, Skaven

I think if any coach is willing to pay the expense on a secret weapon and take the chance on having being kicked out of the game then why not.

Even with secret weapons being allowed i don't see many coaches taken them other then goblin coaches.

I hope by allowing secret weapons it creates more variety to the teams and allows coaches more flexibilty to create their perfect team they believe will winn the 2006 Canadian Open!!

I will post the chart along with the rules on secret weapons to the website within the next couple of days.

I look forward to seeing all the creative rosters on March 4th.


Ben-
Two questions...

1. Aside from budgetary limitations, is there any limit to the amount or type of secret weapons that a team can have? For example...can a Dwarf Team have multiple Death Rollers?

2. If the Ref throws a secret weapon player out of the game, is he gone for that specific game, or for the rest of the tourney?

3a. Will the player with the secret weapon have the stat profile of the Star Player with that Secret Weapon, or the profile of the player carrying it?

3b. If it has the profile of a roster player, is it only on linmen of a specific team, or could it be a positional?

-Rob


1. no limit

2. just for the game

3a. profile of the player carrying it.

3b. only linemen. NO positional players
Ben - Jan 29, 2006 - 10:48 PM
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      KarlLagerbottom wrote:
Ben-
One other thing...can the Ogre Team take any of these Secret Weapons guys?

-Rob


Sorry... nothing for the ogre team.

Ben
KarlLagerbottom - Jan 30, 2006 - 09:38 AM
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      Ben wrote:
      KarlLagerbottom wrote:
Ben-
One other thing...can the Ogre Team take any of these Secret Weapons guys?

-Rob


Sorry... nothing for the ogre team.

Ben


Not even the Goblins SWs?
-Rob

EDIT: How about the other questions a couple of posts above? I am also wondering if the players with SWs are not the stars...are they precluded from having other skills because they have a secret weapon?
Ben - Jan 30, 2006 - 09:47 AM
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      KarlLagerbottom wrote:
      Ben wrote:
      KarlLagerbottom wrote:
Ben-
One other thing...can the Ogre Team take any of these Secret Weapons guys?

-Rob


Sorry... nothing for the ogre team.

Ben


Not even the Goblins SWs?
-Rob


Nope
Spazzfist - Jan 30, 2006 - 05:58 PM
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      KarlLagerbottom wrote:
EDIT: How about the other questions a couple of posts above? I am also wondering if the players with SWs are not the stars...are they precluded from having other skills because they have a secret weapon?


Let me point out that if you allow these guys to upgrade, then the obvious choice would be to buy them an AG upgrade to throw bombs or start chainsaws better!
KarlLagerbottom - Jan 30, 2006 - 06:04 PM
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Yep...that's what I was thinking too. Same thing regarding positionals with weapons. Gutter Runner with ChainSaw? Smile
Kolja_TBBF - Jan 30, 2006 - 06:05 PM
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And nothing for the necros or vampires? I think these rules were out before those teams became official...

Somehow, a zombie chainsaw sounds fun! Useless but fun...

Kolja
Paul - Jan 30, 2006 - 07:00 PM
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Skeletons can have a chainsaw, I don't see why a zombie can't.
Ben - Jan 30, 2006 - 07:35 PM
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      Ben wrote:
      KarlLagerbottom wrote:
      Ben wrote:
      Spazzfist wrote:
.... still waiting for word on the secret weapons......


OK Guys, some of may like and some of you won't but secret weapons will be allowed to all races as per the chart below:

GW OFFICIAL BLOOD BOWL SECRET WEAPONS

Weapon Cost Penalty Roll Teams used by
Ball & Chain 20,000 8+ Goblin

Blunderbuss 30,000 10+ Chaos Dwarf, Dwarf, Human, Skaven (Jezzail)

Chainsaw 60,000 8+ Amazon, Chaos, Chaos Dwarf, Dark Elf, Dwarf, Goblin, Human, Norse, Orc, Skaven, Undead

Death Roller 90,000 7+ Dwarf (Longbeards only)

Explosive Bomb 40,000 8+ Chaos Dwarf, Dwarf, Goblin

Pogo Stick 20,000 10+ Goblin

Poisoned Dagger 30,000 10+ Amazon, Chaos, Dark Elf, Human, Lizardmen, Skaven

I think if any coach is willing to pay the expense on a secret weapon and take the chance on having being kicked out of the game then why not.

Even with secret weapons being allowed i don't see many coaches taken them other then goblin coaches.

I hope by allowing secret weapons it creates more variety to the teams and allows coaches more flexibilty to create their perfect team they believe will winn the 2006 Canadian Open!!

I will post the chart along with the rules on secret weapons to the website within the next couple of days.

I look forward to seeing all the creative rosters on March 4th.


Ben-
Two questions...

1. Aside from budgetary limitations, is there any limit to the amount or type of secret weapons that a team can have? For example...can a Dwarf Team have multiple Death Rollers?

2. If the Ref throws a secret weapon player out of the game, is he gone for that specific game, or for the rest of the tourney?

3a. Will the player with the secret weapon have the stat profile of the Star Player with that Secret Weapon, or the profile of the player carrying it?

3b. If it has the profile of a roster player, is it only on linmen of a specific team, or could it be a positional?

-Rob


1. no limit

2. just for the game

3a. profile of the player carrying it.

3b. only linemen. NO positional players


Did you not see this response?

Ben
Spazzfist - Jan 30, 2006 - 09:16 PM
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what response? Wink
Hoshi_Komi - Feb 02, 2006 - 08:52 AM
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If an american wins the canadian open would you guys have to create another award for the highest finishing canadian?
Spazzfist - Feb 02, 2006 - 08:56 AM
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You're the one who's high, if you think an American will take this! Twisted Evil
Paul - Feb 02, 2006 - 09:19 AM
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If an american wins the canadian open would you guys have to create another award for the highest finishing canadian?


I doubt it. I mean, an American might win this once, its like when the USSR won the Canada Cup, they didn't give Team Canada an award for the highest finishing Canadian team in the tournament. They don't give out an award at the US Open for the top finishing American.

Besides, I'm going to win this year, so we don't have to worry about an American winning.
KarlLagerbottom - Feb 02, 2006 - 09:49 AM
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GLUK GLUK GLUK!!!

Go USA PAL!
Kolja_TBBF - Feb 02, 2006 - 09:54 AM
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      gken1 wrote:
If an american wins the canadian open would you guys have to create another award for the highest finishing canadian?


Oooo, I was gonna play fast and loose at this tourney but now, now I've got to really try to win!

Wink

Kolja
Hoshi_Komi - Feb 02, 2006 - 11:41 AM
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yeah cuz Rob could beat ya guys if you play fast and loose Smile
Ben - Feb 03, 2006 - 08:12 AM
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***UPDATE****

You can now prepay to guarantee yourself a spot for the Canadian Open!!

Please visit the website for more details.

www.pushpush.com

Ben
Ben - Feb 03, 2006 - 08:50 AM
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****UPDATE****

Under the tab 'whos registered' you can now view a summary of total number of coaches and the races chosen.

I have also updated the rules PDF to include the rules on secret weapons.

Ben
Spazzfist - Feb 03, 2006 - 08:56 AM
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Well I am paid up and good to go!

So Zombie is bringing ogres, eh? Interesting choice for him. I had considered it myself, but am having a lot of fun painting up my goblin team.

The first team I ever played in Blood Bowl was a goblin team (I like rooting for the underdogs). They were the 2ed. models that came with the whole team in a giant platic blister (any old timers out there will remember what I mean). But I have put the original models to rest, and have converted a whole new team using Warhammer plastics, so DA No Good Broozers are being reborn!

Tremble. It's okay to be afraid..... Smile


Spazz
Spazzfist - Feb 03, 2006 - 09:01 AM
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Ben,

I noticed that you are allowing norse to take the ball and chain? Did you mean to allow that?

Also, what is the difference between an exploding bomb and a stink bomb?

EDIT - okay, a quick search has yielded me my answer at this website:

http://www.blood-bowl.net/Weapons.html

But Ben, please note that they have the stink bomb listed as 20K cheaper than what you have (and as it should as it does no real damage).
Ben - Feb 03, 2006 - 09:18 AM
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      Spazzfist wrote:
Ben,

I noticed that you are allowing norse to take the ball and chain? Did you mean to allow that?

Also, what is the difference between an exploding bomb and a stink bomb?

EDIT - okay, a quick search has yielded me my answer at this website:

http://www.blood-bowl.net/Weapons.html

But Ben, please note that they have the stink bomb listed as 20K cheaper than what you have (and as it should as it does no real damage).


I will remove Norse as a race that can use Ball & Chain and i am completly removing stink bombs from the list. I measnt to do that in the first place.

Thanks,

Ben
Spazzfist - Feb 03, 2006 - 09:50 AM
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      Ben wrote:
I will remove Norse as a race that can use Ball & Chain and i am completly removing stink bombs from the list. I measnt to do that in the first place.


Alrighty then. But others should note that if they want a quick reference as to how the weapons work, the above mentioned link does describe them.


Spazz
Spazzfist - Feb 03, 2006 - 11:20 AM
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One more thing Ben,

You mention in your rules for the secret weapons that no player carrying secret weapons may carry the ball. Was this intentional? I only ask because there are rules for carrying the ball as a secret weapon holder (e.g. a chainsaw may not hold the ball only if the chainsaw is running, ball and chain fanatics may never, etc.). My main reason for asking is that I was painting up my pogo stick goblin, and it occured to me that if he is not able to hold the ball, then his purpose on the team is pretty moot.


Thanks.
Ben - Feb 03, 2006 - 12:27 PM
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      Spazzfist wrote:
One more thing Ben,

You mention in your rules for the secret weapons that no player carrying secret weapons may carry the ball. Was this intentional? I only ask because there are rules for carrying the ball as a secret weapon holder (e.g. a chainsaw may not hold the ball only if the chainsaw is running, ball and chain fanatics may never, etc.). My main reason for asking is that I was painting up my pogo stick goblin, and it occured to me that if he is not able to hold the ball, then his purpose on the team is pretty moot.


Thanks.


We will use whaever the official rules say. So i would assume that pogo sticks and blunderbuss would be able to carry the ball.

Sorry for the confusion.

Ben
Spazzfist - Feb 03, 2006 - 01:58 PM
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      Ben wrote:
... blunderbuss would be able to carry the ball.


Yeah, I hadn't thought of the blunderbuss, but that is really the point of them! They have to pick up the ball and fire it out of the weapon!
Spazzfist - Feb 05, 2006 - 07:34 PM
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Update:

I spoke with Glenn Jones today, and it looks like he and Rob will be planning on coming in from Ottawa. He says that he will let me know towards the middle of the month, but says that there is no reason that he shouldn't be able to make it.

Glenn will almost certainly be bringing his dwarves, and Rob will probably be either Chaos or Necros.
twist - Feb 06, 2006 - 12:51 AM
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Ok, I am back. Hoping not to get schooled this year like I did with my Wood Elves last year, making super-Wardancers instead of a complete team. ^%#(&* four dirties on a team with 'Get the Ref'...

Paul & Ben: The Firkin sounds good, pints are a must on the Saturday over hockey!!! Bud and I are contemplating renting a room, dunno for sure yet.

As for the rules, they are ok. Are we using any fancy kick off table (a la Deathbowl), or just the most recent LRB one? I am still paranoid that while Orc Blitzers are getting specialty skills on top of their block, I am buying block. Laughing How to fit the dagger into the budget... Dammit, all my favourite races are at their best at 1 mil!
Paul - Feb 06, 2006 - 04:36 AM
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Paul & Ben: The Firkin sounds good, pints are a must on the Saturday over hockey!!! Bud and I are contemplating renting a room, dunno for sure yet.


Twist, I can go in for a room too if you guys don't mind a third. My offer comes with free beer (me and Garth are already planning a few between round room parties Smile
Ben - Feb 06, 2006 - 09:03 AM
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Where are all the Halfling teams???

I think if i was playing that would be my choice. Just think of all the diving tacklers you could have. Wink

Ben
Spazzfist - Feb 06, 2006 - 09:31 AM
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      Ben wrote:
Where are all the Halfling teams???

I think if i was playing that would be my choice. Just think of all the diving tacklers you could have. Wink

Ben


Yeah! Time for The Killer Bees to make their appearance! Very Happy
KarlLagerbottom - Feb 06, 2006 - 01:22 PM
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Yep...if I wasn't banned from playing stunties at tournies...The Sufferin Succotash might be making their second appearance.

http://www.bampf.com/bay/pics/NotBay033.JPG

-RobO
Spazzfist - Feb 13, 2006 - 09:11 AM
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DA No Good Broozers are painted and being based. I am set on bringing them now. No turning back!


Spazz
KarlLagerbottom - Feb 13, 2006 - 09:47 AM
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You sure it's not Da No Good Boozers?
I wish I could make it, but alas you'll be the only stunty in the hiz-ouse. Smile

-Rob
Spazzfist - Feb 13, 2006 - 10:00 AM
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      KarlLagerbottom wrote:
You sure it's not Da No Good Boozers?


With some of the riff raff that I have staying at my place that weekend it is very likely to be!

Sorry to hear that you will not be able to make it out. But I am sure that I will see you at (insert shamless plug here) The Challenge of Q'ermitt this summer! Wink


Spazz
Kolja_TBBF - Feb 14, 2006 - 10:06 AM
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Since the Spike! had a low turnout, should the Canadian Open get 'majors' status?

Kolja
Paul - Feb 14, 2006 - 10:41 AM
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that was the Deathbowl for 2005, probably will be again for 2006 since the Spike is going to be a one-day thing run by GW at Games Day.
AnthonyTBBF - Feb 14, 2006 - 11:06 AM
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Actually, I heard through the grapevine the other day they might make it two days with only one day being at Games Day. Dunno anything more than that though.
Spazzfist - Feb 14, 2006 - 11:11 AM
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      AnthonyTBBF wrote:
Actually, I heard through the grapevine the other day they might make it two days with only one day being at Games Day. Dunno anything more than that though.


I heard a rumour that their "hobby champion" Andrew Sinclair is no longer involved with the Games Day, what that means for his potiion with the company I do not know.
AnthonyTBBF - Feb 14, 2006 - 12:49 PM
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That's true, he's gone.
Spazzfist - Feb 14, 2006 - 01:03 PM
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Wow, they have quite the turnover rate.....
Wolfhowl - Feb 14, 2006 - 02:57 PM
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      AnthonyTBBF wrote:
Actually, I heard through the grapevine the other day they might make it two days with only one day being at Games Day. Dunno anything more than that though.


You heard correct, Spike is going to be a two day event.

Day one will be at the Battle Bunker in Oakville the Day before Games game, with it ending at Games Day.

I know for sure because I and the MOBB are the ones doing the organizing this year.
Spazzfist - Feb 14, 2006 - 05:12 PM
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      Wolfhowl wrote:
Day one will be at the Battle Bunker in Oakville the Day before Games game, with it ending at Games Day.

I know for sure because I and the MOBB are the ones doing the organizing this year.


Okay, so what does that mean for the entry fees? Will the Bunker fee also allow access to the GD event, or will you have to pay separately for that?
Spazzfist - Feb 14, 2006 - 09:24 PM
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Now, back on to the Canadian Open!

Who is looking forward to seeing Clan-Skaven with his second head shaving? Anyone want to bet that he is going to be at the bottom of the Hair Club for Men at this tourney too? Laughing


Spazz
Paul - Feb 14, 2006 - 10:03 PM
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man, I don't know how you guys are going to top waht you did to him at Deathbowl.
Spazzfist - Feb 15, 2006 - 07:11 AM
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      Paul wrote:
man, I don't know how you guys are going to top waht you did to him at Deathbowl.


Well being ranked last in the Hair Club at the Deathbowl means that he is going to be sporting another lovely do at the Canadian Open! Now he is almost desparate to redeem himself at this tourney and get himself into the top place so that he can be on the other side of the clippers for a change! Very Happy

With me playing Goblins, that may not be so hard...... Wink
KarlLagerbottom - Feb 15, 2006 - 08:10 AM
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Funny...I was thinking that same thing. Smile

Someone may look really silly at School the Monday after The Canadian Open.

-Rob
Spazzfist - Feb 15, 2006 - 08:28 AM
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      KarlLagerbottom wrote:
Someone may look really silly at School the Monday after The Canadian Open.


No, the deal is that the last place in the Hair Club gets shaved by the top ranking member of the club at the next tournament that they both attend. Rod was the last ranked and Rob was the first ranked at the Deathbowl, that's why Rod is getting shaved at this tourney.

Should I be last place, then the next tourney we will all be at will probably be the Q'ermitt, which this year will be in the summer. Lots of time for the hair to grow back!



Spazz
grant85 - Feb 15, 2006 - 09:38 PM
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Sorry if I missed anyone saying this but what version of the LRB will be used? The new-new one (1.1.whatever) or the last update on the GW site?
Paul - Feb 15, 2006 - 10:33 PM
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LRB 4.0

you can find them here I belive http://www.specialist-games.com/bloodbowl/rulebook.asp

Its split up amongst a couple downloads there.
Clan_Skaven - Feb 16, 2006 - 03:34 PM
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Sad to announce, but I will not be able to attend the CDN. Open due to work.

Sorry everyone, hope to see you all at a future tourney.

Rod.
Spazzfist - Feb 17, 2006 - 07:11 AM
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Sorry to hear that you will not be making it out. The Hair Club for Men will not be the same without you!

(Geez.... what some people will do to avoid having their head shaved!)

But one the plus side that is one less body that I have to climb over on my way to the top! Wink


Spazz
grant85 - Feb 17, 2006 - 01:01 PM
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The top eh? Not if my Dp has anything to say about it. Wink
Talons - Feb 17, 2006 - 01:40 PM
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Hey Spazz!!!!

Since Rod isn't going to be able to join us in the fun. I thought that we might have to find ourselves another victim in the Hair Club For Men Challenge. I don't think Big Daddy or Joe are going to be Man enough to step up. So if there are any takers, sign up here because my clippers are getting lonely. LOL!!!!!
Spazzfist - Feb 17, 2006 - 02:31 PM
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      grant85 wrote:
The top eh? Not if my Dp has anything to say about it. Wink


"Dp", is that "Dark Pansy?" I'll beat on any of the panzee teams that show their pretty faces! Bring 'em on!

You keep the clippers to yourself Talons, as you need to be more worried about the buzzy goblin chainsaw that is comin' for ya! Twisted Evil


Spazz
garth - Feb 17, 2006 - 04:43 PM
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      grant85 wrote:
The top eh? Not if my Dp has anything to say about it. Wink


Hmmm, 'DP' means something else to me, but maybe that is 'cause I watch too much porn... Cool

Uh, just kidding...

For a change of pace from the rest of you, I will brag that I will NOT win the Canadian Open.

Wink
Paul - Feb 17, 2006 - 05:20 PM
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For a change of pace from the rest of you, I will brag that I will NOT win the Canadian Open.


The question is, how badly will you not win? Smile
Spazzfist - Feb 17, 2006 - 08:39 PM
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      garth wrote:
For a change of pace from the rest of you, I will brag that I will NOT win the Canadian Open.


... and for that my friend, you will probably clean house! Laughing
Talons - Feb 18, 2006 - 07:53 AM
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For a change of pace from the rest of you, I will brag that I will NOT win the Canadian Open


No doubt Garth!!!! You definitely are a challenger to Geekfist for the right to hold the rest of us up on your shoulders. Have fun at the bottom boys!!! Laughing
garth - Feb 18, 2006 - 10:18 AM
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      Talons wrote:
No doubt Garth!!!! You definitely are a challenger to Geekfist for the right to hold the rest of us up on your shoulders. Have fun at the bottom boys!!! Laughing


hey, Hey, HEY! I got "most touchdowns" at Spike! (my last tourney)! Twisted Evil


Wink
Spazzfist - Feb 18, 2006 - 10:22 AM
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      Talons wrote:
No doubt Garth!!!! You definitely are a challenger to Geekfist for the right to hold the rest of us up on your shoulders. Have fun at the bottom boys!!! Laughing


The only way I am holding you up is on a stretcher! Prepare youeself for the ultimate defeat and humiliation my friend! My gobbos are going to swarm over you like a green tide!

Can you handle the pain??? Twisted Evil


Spazzfist
grant85 - Feb 19, 2006 - 09:11 AM
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Ha Ha Ha...So much smack talk-just wait for Nuffle to start handing out double 1's.
Spazzfist - Feb 19, 2006 - 09:19 AM
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      grant85 wrote:
Ha Ha Ha...So much smack talk-just wait for Nuffle to start handing out double 1's.


Only for my armour rolls!

Da Broozers will reign supreme! Muahahahaha!
Clan_Skaven - Feb 19, 2006 - 01:11 PM
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      Spazzfist wrote:
      grant85 wrote:
Ha Ha Ha...So much smack talk-just wait for Nuffle to start handing out double 1's.


Only for my armour rolls!

Da Broozers will reign supreme! Muahahahaha!


After the first day of going 0-3 you'd better just get piss drunk & rename yer team "Da Boozers!"

Rod
Spazzfist - Feb 19, 2006 - 03:27 PM
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Very likely my friend, very likely!
grant85 - Feb 19, 2006 - 03:52 PM
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Best bar in Brampton?
Spazzfist - Feb 19, 2006 - 03:56 PM
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As previously stated, I have an assortment of riff raff, ruffians and all around hooligans staying at my place for the tourney, so I expect the best bar will be my living room! Very Happy

Let the games (and drinking) begin!


Spazz
garth - Feb 19, 2006 - 06:00 PM
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      Clan-Skaven wrote:
After the first day of going 0-3 you'd better just get piss drunk & rename yer team "Da Boozers!"


Oh yeah, we are keeping a cooler of beer in our hotel room. I will be good and drunk EVERY game...
garth - Feb 19, 2006 - 06:00 PM
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      grant85 wrote:
Best bar in Brampton?


The CHEAPEST one is in our room.
garth - Feb 19, 2006 - 06:02 PM
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      Spazzfist wrote:
As previously stated, I have an assortment of riff raff, ruffians and all around hooligans staying at my place for the tourney, so I expect the best bar will be my living room! Very Happy


Once again, I think it will be our hotel room. Hmmm, maybe I should talk to Brian, Billy, and Zombie about this first...

      Spazzfist wrote:
Let the games (and drinking) begin!


See previous two posts...


Garth
Paul - Feb 19, 2006 - 07:05 PM
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Hey Garth, I'm not bringing enough beer for everyone, tell them to bring their own and we'll throw it all in your cooler. You better bring a big one Smile
KarlLagerbottom - Feb 20, 2006 - 08:14 AM
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Guys-
I might be making this afterall...I might be playing in my sleep, but for those of you who have seen me in action...this will likely be an improvement. Smile

-Rob
Spazzfist - Feb 20, 2006 - 08:30 AM
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All the talk of boozing, got you interested enough to get yer butt out here, eh?

Asleep, awake, you're still going down KL down in the big heap of broken bodies and crushed dreams that Da Broozers will stand upon!


Spazz
KarlLagerbottom - Feb 20, 2006 - 08:38 AM
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In the spirit of The Olympics and fostering a peaceful global community, I think I'll take the high road.

(And keep the laughter inside about all the gobbos that I'm going to smash.) Smile

-RobO
Spazzfist - Feb 20, 2006 - 12:21 PM
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      KarlLagerbottom wrote:
In the spirit of The Olympics and fostering a peaceful global community, I think I'll take the high road.


Bah! In the goblympics, "Smack Talk" is one of the events! If you are going to be all "high and mighty" about it you should bring some team that is too poofy to smack talk like elves or norse! Twisted Evil



Spazz
Clan_Skaven - Feb 20, 2006 - 02:29 PM
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Since I can not attend I'll post my roster I was planning on bringing.....

SKAVEN TEAM

1)Gutter Runner + Block=110,000
2)Gutter Runner + Block=110,000
3)Gutter Runner + Block=110,000
4)Gutter Runner + Block=110,000
5)Rat Ogre + Block=180,000
6)Storm Vermin + Tackle & Mighty Blow=150,000
7)Thrower + AG+1=150,000
8)Line Rat=50,000
9)Line Rat=50,000
10)Line Rat=50,000
11)Line Rat=50,000

2 RR's=120,000
1FF=10,000
------------------------------------------------------------------------
=1,250,000

There, if my addition is wrong let me know, but that is in a nutshell my SKAVEN I was going to bring (ahh but my boss is a turd, so I won't be there!)


Rod.
Spazzfist - Feb 20, 2006 - 06:23 PM
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      Clan-Skaven wrote:
Since I can not attend I'll post my roster I was planning on bringing.....

blah blah blah

There, if my addition is wrong let me know, but that is in a nutshell my SKAVEN I was going to bring (ahh but my boss is a turd, so I won't be there!)


No matter buddy, sorry you won't be there, but you would have just been smoked anyways! And then we would have to listen to your bellyaching all weekend! Wink
Ben - Feb 22, 2006 - 01:30 PM
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***UPDATE*********

I have a picture of the custom boards that will be used at the Canadian Open which will also be handed out as prizes. The board will be a limited edition print with only 10 being made.

Please visit the website www.pushpush.com for more details.

Ben
Clan_Skaven - Feb 22, 2006 - 01:54 PM
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Interesting look on the boards, is that supposed to be shattered ice or glass?

Rod.
Spazzfist - Feb 22, 2006 - 02:31 PM
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Maybe it's your hopes of victory! Laughing
AnthonyTBBF - Feb 22, 2006 - 02:32 PM
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Cool!
KarlLagerbottom - Feb 22, 2006 - 03:21 PM
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Very cool...but alas...this tourney is "off-again" for me...I guess I can hope that one of the winners will be interested in parting with theirs.

Ben-
What material will be used to mount these boards? Also will the surface be finished in some way to protect the image?

-Rob

P.S. Will the boards be the correct scale, or will they be the elf/skaven-friendly scale that was present at the 2004 Spike!
CyberHare - Feb 22, 2006 - 06:14 PM
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Very cool! Are you getting them printed on vynal or are they foamcore mounted as the spike! 04 ones were. Either way I'll be taking one of those babies home with me along with the Canadian Open title!
Wolfhowl - Feb 22, 2006 - 08:03 PM
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I hate to say it boys, but This year I'm going to prove that Chaos is not just a joke team.

Da King will be riding home with the Crown.
Spazzfist - Feb 22, 2006 - 08:54 PM
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      Wolfhowl wrote:
I hate to say it boys, but This year I'm going to prove that Chaos is not just a joke team.


No, just that you're a joke coach! Wink Not trying to be offensive man, but you have to be a comedian if you think that anybody but Da Broozers are going to take the title!

As the Deathbowl Axe stays in Montreal, so shall the Canadian Open title stay in Brampton!
Wolfhowl - Feb 23, 2006 - 09:01 AM
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      Spazzfist wrote:
      Wolfhowl wrote:
I hate to say it boys, but This year I'm going to prove that Chaos is not just a joke team.


No, just that you're a joke coach! Wink


LOL!!!
garth - Feb 23, 2006 - 09:07 PM
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You guys don't get it...

These tournament are NOT about winning or losing; they are about drinking beer! And THAT makes us ALL winners... especially me!
Paul - Feb 23, 2006 - 09:48 PM
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I bet I can drink more than you garth Smile
VBZ - Feb 23, 2006 - 10:04 PM
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Bet I can take embarrassing pitures of the both of you while you're drunk Wink
Paul - Feb 23, 2006 - 10:24 PM
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I'll take that bet. (someone remind me to bring a hammer to take care of Billys camera Very Happy)
garth - Feb 23, 2006 - 11:47 PM
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      Paul wrote:
I bet I can drink more than you garth Smile


That's OK!.. If we are drinking, we ALL win!
CyberHare - Feb 24, 2006 - 04:18 AM
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Bah they don't need to be drunk for us to take embarrassing pictures of them. Laughing

I indeed think that everyone should be drinking excessively. It can only serve to help my final standings Laughing
Spazzfist - Feb 24, 2006 - 11:50 AM
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      CyberHare wrote:
I indeed think that everyone should be drinking excessively. It can only serve to help my final standings Laughing


It may be the only thing that can help you! Laughing
Kolja_TBBF - Feb 24, 2006 - 07:34 PM
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      Spazzfist wrote:
As the Deathbowl Axe stays in Montreal, so shall the Canadian Open title stay in Brampton!


Hey, the Canadian Open title is presently at Bloor and Spadina in Toronto and that's where it's gonna stay.

Nyaa!
Wink

Kolja
grant85 - Feb 25, 2006 - 05:20 PM
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The board is very cool Paul-props to your brother-& a big YES to drinking as much Bloodwiser as possible!
Ben - Feb 27, 2006 - 08:55 AM
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Hey Guys

I made reservations for the Frigate & Firkin at 7:30 on Saturday evening.

It's about 10m from the hotel and i'm sure we will have enough cars to accomodate everyone.

The frigate is a great pub that will have the hockey game televised and they also have a couple of pool tables & darts.

Please reply by Wednesday if you plan on going as i need a estimated number to give to them.

Thx

Ben
Spazzfist - Feb 27, 2006 - 10:01 AM
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Ben,

Talons and I will probably come for an hour or so, but we do have to catch the UFC fight night at 10:00! I am still waiting to hear confirmation from Glenn on whether he is coming and with how many.
Ben - Feb 27, 2006 - 10:12 AM
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Craig

I just phoned the Frigate and they will be televising the UFC fight there.

So hopefully you can all watch it from the Pub.

Ben

EDIT - maybe we should make the reservations at 8 then.
CyberHare - Feb 27, 2006 - 10:14 AM
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I'm in.
Ben - Feb 27, 2006 - 10:36 AM
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      CyberHare wrote:
I'm in.


Brian - please check with the ppl form Montreal and see whos in as i know some of them (Zombie) don't have access to this.

Thanks

Ben
garth - Feb 27, 2006 - 03:04 PM
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      CyberHare wrote:
I'm in.


If Brian's in, then I'm in. Wait,... will there be beer there?

Garth
garth - Feb 27, 2006 - 03:06 PM
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      Ben wrote:
      CyberHare wrote:
I'm in.


Brian - please check with the ppl form Montreal and see whos in as i know some of them (Zombie) don't have access to this.

Thanks

Ben


Benny Boy! Don't worry about this: Brian, Billy, Zombie, and myself are all driving down together. Any Zombie's friends will be following behind us. I'm sure that where ever our Master goes, we go.

Garth
VBZ - Feb 27, 2006 - 10:30 PM
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Lemme get this strait: Beer and UFC?... F*CKING RIGHT! I'M IN !
KarlLagerbottom - Feb 28, 2006 - 01:23 PM
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You guys suck...this is going to be great and I'll be home.

Stinking family commitments!!! Sad
grant85 - Feb 28, 2006 - 08:13 PM
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Ben,
Im in for sure-"10m" (meters? miles?) makes a big diffrence for my drunken walk back to the inn-thanks man-
Spazzfist - Mar 01, 2006 - 04:10 PM
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Getting pumped!!!

Just two more sleeps until the party starts! (The fun begins for me on Friday, while Saturday is going to be the big day!)

Go Team Canada in UFC! George St. Pierre and Louiseaux are going to be the only winners from Montreal this weekend! Very Happy

Spazz
Spazzfist - Mar 01, 2006 - 07:21 PM
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      grant85 wrote:
Ben,
Im in for sure-"10m" (meters? miles?) makes a big diffrence for my drunken walk back to the inn-thanks man-


We're Canadian man, that means metric. Wink

10 metres.
grant85 - Mar 01, 2006 - 07:31 PM
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wa, wa, waahahahaaaa
grant85 - Mar 01, 2006 - 07:32 PM
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good deal no missing fingers for my sunday 6 rolls Smile
garth - Mar 01, 2006 - 08:21 PM
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      Spazzfist wrote:
      grant85 wrote:
Ben,
Im in for sure-"10m" (meters? miles?) makes a big diffrence for my drunken walk back to the inn-thanks man-


We're Canadian man, that means metric. Wink

10 metres.


Uh, if Ben is arranging drives to this place, I am sure it is more than 10 meters. I bet he meant 10 minutes...
Spazzfist - Mar 01, 2006 - 08:49 PM
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Oh Garth.....

The Firkin is 10 metres from the tourney site.... Rolling Eyes

Wink
garth - Mar 01, 2006 - 08:52 PM
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      Spazzfist wrote:
Oh Garth.....

The Firkin is 10 metres from the tourney site.... Rolling Eyes

Wink


Well then, I've been told...

Cool, so now I can stumble drunk to the tourney AND the nightlife afterwards (to get even more so!)
Spazzfist - Mar 01, 2006 - 08:55 PM
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      garth wrote:

Cool, so now I can stumble drunk to the tourney AND the nightlife afterwards (to get even more so!)


Yes, drink! Drink! The more drunk you are, the more certain will be my victory! Buy a round for everyone!

Twisted Evil

Go Broozers!
Ben - Mar 02, 2006 - 08:09 AM
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Hey Guys

I have made reservations for the Frigate & Firkin for 8:00 on the Saturday night.

BTW - does any1 know of a local who knows the game of Bloodbowl and would be willing to play if we have an odd amount of people show?

This person of course would not have to pay if we do end up needing his services. I did have someone but he can no longer make it.

I really don't want to play in my own tourney and win. That wouldn't be right.

Ben
Spazzfist - Mar 02, 2006 - 08:30 AM
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      Ben wrote:
I really don't want to play in my own tourney and win. That wouldn't be right.


Who says that you would win?

Oh wait a second, it's you....... Wink

I might be able to think of someone to fit the bill (EDIT - as the alternate). I will talk to him tonight and see what he says.
KarlLagerbottom - Mar 02, 2006 - 08:44 AM
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      Ben wrote:

I really don't want to play in my own tourney and win. That wouldn't be right.

Ben


::cough:: Melifaxis ::cough::
garth - Mar 02, 2006 - 10:10 AM
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      Ben wrote:
BTW - does any1 know of a local who knows the game of Bloodbowl and would be willing to play if we have an odd amount of people show?


Hey, I will play two teams if you would like. That way, if the two teams meet, I will get at least ONE win this tournament...!

      Ben wrote:
I really don't want to play in my own tourney and win. That wouldn't be right.


Oh, Ben...
Spazzfist - Mar 02, 2006 - 10:34 AM
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      garth wrote:
Hey, I will play two teams if you would like. That way, if the two teams meet, I will get at least ONE win this tournament...!


We could also make sure that you play Bikerbob in the first round, so that you will have time to play your other game while he is taking forever to make his moves in the first game! Very Happy
Ben - Mar 02, 2006 - 10:54 AM
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Any word if the guys from Ottawa (Glen & company) will be making it down for the tourney. Does any one have their contact info so i can harass them.

Let me know.

Ben
garth - Mar 02, 2006 - 11:05 AM
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      Ben wrote:
Any word if the guys from Ottawa (Glen & company) will be making it down for the tourney. Does any one have their contact info so i can harass them.


Try PMing Glen's friend angryrob
Spazzfist - Mar 02, 2006 - 11:10 AM
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      Ben wrote:
Any word if the guys from Ottawa (Glen & company) will be making it down for the tourney. Does any one have their contact info so i can harass them.


Call me tonight if you still want Glenn's number. I have been bugging him and did speak to him on Sunday. He is trying to convince his brother to come down, as well as AngryRob. Otherwise he did talk about coming alone.

Glenn and company are going to be staying at my place if they do come, so I was planning on calling tonight to find out what is happening. If you want to call him as well I can get you the number (but only have it at home).
Ben - Mar 02, 2006 - 11:27 AM
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      Spazzfist wrote:
      Ben wrote:
Any word if the guys from Ottawa (Glen & company) will be making it down for the tourney. Does any one have their contact info so i can harass them.


Call me tonight if you still want Glenn's number. I have been bugging him and did speak to him on Sunday. He is trying to convince his brother to come down, as well as AngryRob. Otherwise he did talk about coming alone.

Glenn and company are going to be staying at my place if they do come, so I was planning on calling tonight to find out what is happening. If you want to call him as well I can get you the number (but only have it at home).


Ok kewl. Pm me his number tonight then.

Thanks,

Ben
garth - Mar 02, 2006 - 11:28 AM
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      Spazzfist wrote:
Call me tonight if you still want Glenn's number. I have been bugging him and did speak to him on Sunday. He is trying to convince his brother to come down, as well as AngryRob. Otherwise he did talk about coming alone.


Remind him that next time, he can get a ride down with me.

Garth
Spazzfist - Mar 02, 2006 - 11:40 AM
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      garth wrote:
Remind him that next time, he can get a ride down with me.


Next time? If he's stuck can I offer your services this time? I know he really wants to come, but the transportation is the major issue.

EDIT - if this is cool, then PM me your contact info and I will pass that on to him.
garth - Mar 02, 2006 - 11:52 AM
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      Spazzfist wrote:
      garth wrote:
Remind him that next time, he can get a ride down with me.


Next time? If he's stuck can I offer your services this time? I know he really wants to come, but the transportation is the major issue.

EDIT - if this is cool, then PM me your contact info and I will pass that on to him.


I'll PM you.
Kolja_TBBF - Mar 02, 2006 - 03:33 PM
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2 more days....only 2 more days.

Kolja
Spazzfist - Mar 02, 2006 - 03:52 PM
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      Kolja_TBBF wrote:
2 more days....only 2 more days.


We'll try to go easy on ya! Wink
Kolja_TBBF - Mar 03, 2006 - 06:35 AM
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Please do! I've forgotten how to play this game.
Razz
Spazzfist - Mar 03, 2006 - 07:13 AM
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Ben,

Sorry to say but the alternate that I had lined up has backed out. I have an old list of BB players from the Bunker league a while back, I will give some of them a call and see if any can make it out.

Failing that I have a spare goblin team that I could bring. So if you do need to play, then at least you will have a team that shouldn't be able to sweep the tourney.
Ben - Mar 03, 2006 - 08:26 AM
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Less then 24 hours away.

Im looking forward to seeing you all tomorrow, it will be a blast!!

btw- did someone post this on the TBB website, i forgot all about it and i'm to lazy to set up an account.

Ben
Ben - Mar 03, 2006 - 08:29 AM
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      Spazzfist wrote:
Ben,

Sorry to say but the alternate that I had lined up has backed out. I have an old list of BB players from the Bunker league a while back, I will give some of them a call and see if any can make it out.

Failing that I have a spare goblin team that I could bring. So if you do need to play, then at least you will have a team that shouldn't be able to sweep the tourney.


Please try, i really don't want to play as i will be under to much stress in making sure everything runs smooth.

My nephew would love to play but i would have to teach him and i just dont have the time today.

Hmmm Craig your a good teacher, what do you say?? Wink

Ben
Spazzfist - Mar 03, 2006 - 08:33 AM
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      Ben wrote:

My nephew would love to play but i would have to teach him and i just dont have the time today.

Hmmm Craig your a good teacher, what do you say?? Wink


I'm a teacher, but what makes you think I'm good? Wink

How much of the game does your nephew know? When would the learning take place - at the tourney or would we try to get something together tonight?
Ben - Mar 03, 2006 - 08:51 AM
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      Spazzfist wrote:
      Ben wrote:

My nephew would love to play but i would have to teach him and i just dont have the time today.

Hmmm Craig your a good teacher, what do you say?? Wink


I'm a teacher, but what makes you think I'm good? Wink

How much of the game does your nephew know? When would the learning take place - at the tourney or would we try to get something together tonight?


No he doesn't have any experience but he has always wanted to learn. He is a quick learner though especially for a 14 year old.

I would probably give him a crash course tonight but i teach until 9:30 myself and i wouldn't expect you to teach him on your own. That wouldn't be very nice.

Hopefully we can find an alternate, if not i will give him the crash course late tonight.

Ben
Spazzfist - Mar 03, 2006 - 09:13 AM
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      Ben wrote:
No he doesn't have any experience but he has always wanted to learn. He is a quick learner though especially for a 14 year old.


Well if those boys from Montreal can learn to play the game, then it should be no trouble teaching a 14 year old! Very Happy

Seriously though, I will make some more calls tonight and see what I can figure.
Spazzfist - Mar 03, 2006 - 01:38 PM
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School bell just went! My weekend starts now! Cool
Clan_Skaven - Mar 03, 2006 - 01:47 PM
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Ahh well I'm still not able to attend tomorrow, (I'll be working away the weekend) but I wish you all good luck!

Check out my AVATAR it rocks! My silly hair do is thanks to Talons....

Rod.
grant85 - Mar 03, 2006 - 02:28 PM
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Here We Go, Here We Go, Here We Go!!!
...i'm so ready:)
Paul - Mar 03, 2006 - 04:03 PM
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beer is in the fridge chilling for tomorrow. Other than a few touch up paint jobs and working out a roster. I'm all set.

But I got the beer, so I got the priorities straight.
garth - Mar 03, 2006 - 04:15 PM
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      Paul wrote:
beer is in the fridge chilling for tomorrow. Other than a few touch up paint jobs and working out a roster. I'm all set.

But I got the beer, so I got the priorities straight.


Beer in a cooler in my trunk. Ready to drink when we get to TO. I did NOT touch up paint job and my roster was thrown together last night. I am sooooo NOT all set. Whatever...

And I got beer too. I even brought you your own cooler to store in our room for between-game bevvies. Mmmmmmmmm, beer.
garth - Mar 03, 2006 - 04:16 PM
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Oh yeah, the guys from Montreal are late. They will be here in another 30 minutes or so. We are already an hour and a half behind. I guess there will be no party in T.O. for us tonight...

Who am I kidding! I'm gonna drink all that beer TONIGHT! Mmmmm, beer...
Spazzfist - Mar 03, 2006 - 09:44 PM
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Few more hours boys!

Going to sleep now so that I am well rested to stomp you all!

Go Broozers!


P.S. I like beer.
garth - Mar 03, 2006 - 10:44 PM
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      Spazzfist wrote:
P.S. I like beer.


Me too. In fact, I'm drinking one right now, here at the Monte Carlo Inn. We got here just after midnight. Billy is just doing his roster now! Silly, Billy!
Paul - Mar 03, 2006 - 11:06 PM
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he he, on my way to bed. Let Billy know that I'm not coming tomorrow so he can freak out about the team I told him he could borrow Smile


See you guys in a few hours.
garth - Mar 03, 2006 - 11:23 PM
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You bastard!!! Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing (billy)
garth - Mar 03, 2006 - 11:25 PM
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Sorry guys, my laptop was hijacked by that big meanine! If I'm tired tomorrow, it's 'cause we are playing right now. I SWEAR I will go after the organizer if any of us have to play each other tomorrow..... Very Happy
garth - Mar 03, 2006 - 11:29 PM
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Yes, Ben, that means YOU! Wink
KarlLagerbottom - Mar 04, 2006 - 05:55 AM
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Have fun guys...I have a feeling that this tourney will be a blast.

I predict either Skaven or Lizzards will take the prize here.

-Rob

P.S. For those of you lucky enough to grab one of those cool boards...and might not want to keep it...keep me in mind. Wink
CyberHare - Mar 04, 2006 - 11:35 PM
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      KarlLagerbottom wrote:
Have fun guys...I have a feeling that this tourney will be a blast.

I predict either Skaven or Lizzards will take the prize here.


Sorry, but there is only one Skaven team (Paul Connors) and not doing that well; the current leader Kolja is playing Necro. Deal with it.
Da_Scum - Mar 05, 2006 - 05:14 AM
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      CyberHare wrote:
      KarlLagerbottom wrote:
Have fun guys...I have a feeling that this tourney will be a blast.

I predict either Skaven or Lizzards will take the prize here.


Sorry, but there is only one Skaven team (Paul Connors) and not doing that well; the current leader Kolja is playing Necro. Deal with it.


Well at leat the REAL Goblin team isn't doing so bad...if they could only stop getting just minimum wins! Laughing

Tip for the other short greenies...when you pull the pin on Mr. Handgrenade, it is NO LONGER your firend! (Apparnetly he's gone KABOOM! a few times now! Shocked )

Ah beer, all a man really needs....besides sex.... Razz

And damnit with Clan-Skaven not here I no longer have a guaranteed win to add to the collections...meaning I'll have to work for them all for a change! Rolling Eyes Dang as da Cool boys were craving new Rat pelts for the artic conditions of the far west...
Clan_Skaven - Mar 05, 2006 - 03:40 PM
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So hows the rest doing?

Talons still playing his Pro Elves, or is he playing Orcs? (whats his record so far?)

Or Spazzfizt? How bad is his Gobbos doing?

Grell (a buddy from the Falls) hows his Orcs doing?

40KVet (another buddy from the Falls) not sure if he went, if he did, hows his Gobbos doing?

Plus the rest, how are they doing?

Down with the TBBF!

Rod.
garth - Mar 05, 2006 - 05:10 PM
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Hey Rod, just to let you know big dady backed out once again. I finished 2 wins 3 losses and a tie. Joe had a great tourney, I think he finished 4th. Everyone says hello, we missed having you here with your stylish hairdo, courtesy of me, Talons. I will talk to you tommorrow, Joe and I are heading back to the falls. Should be home around 9:30 if you want to call.
AnthonyTBBF - Mar 05, 2006 - 07:22 PM
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Thanks for a great tourney Ben!

And thanks to everyone who schooled me on day 2. I have a lot of practice to get in before Philly... Smile
Spazzfist - Mar 05, 2006 - 07:31 PM
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      Da_Scum wrote:
Well at leat the REAL Goblin team isn't doing so bad...


Nice. Wink

I wasn't expecting to do so well with the gobbos, and so was not disappointed. My tournament points for wins/losses was 180, which was pretty respectable, I feel. I think my only real disappointment this weekend is that I didn't get very drunk Saturday night despite consuming copious amounts of beer. Very Happy

Overall my tourney record was:

Game 1 - lost to Khemri 0-3
Game 2- lost to humans 0-2
Game 3 - won vs. humans 2-0
Game 4 - lost to norse 0-1
Game 5 - lost to goblins. Let's just say I lost, and leave it at that.
Game 6 - won vs vampires 1-0

Overall a great tourney and the location was fantastic. I am 99% sure that I will be hosting the Q'ermitt at the same spot this year.

Sorry that I could not stay to the bitter end, but other duties called! Looking forward to hearing all the final results.


Spazz
Paul - Mar 05, 2006 - 08:45 PM
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Thanks for running things Ben, it was a blast to see everyone and meet some new people as well.

I finished 3-2-1, (same record as last year) but only in 8th this time.

Game 1 vs Norse 2-2 tie
Game 2 vs Amazons 2-1 loss (I'll get you next time brian)
Game 3 vs Vampires 2-1 win
Game 4 vs Chaos Dwarfs 2-0 win (and I got the bag of wheat too Very Happy)
Game 5 vs Orcs 2-1 win
Game 6 vs Norse 2-1 loss

I think the highlight of the weekend was the ammount of beer we downed on Saturday night, as well as getting my revenge against Talons for beating me last year at the Open. My Skaven whooped his Orcs this year, .
grant85 - Mar 06, 2006 - 07:25 AM
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Man -o- Man! Looks like i took the wooden spoon up the A$$, Ah well-thanks everybody who played me-or put up with playing me. At least my 0/2/4 record gives me some room to grow for next year. TBBF: I, The 'Auto Bitch' will see you guys in TO for a rookie match some time after finals are done-grats to you guys and Thanks again Ben.
-grant
AnthonyTBBF - Mar 06, 2006 - 09:00 AM
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Cool man, let us know when you are free and we'll set up some games.
Kolja_TBBF - Mar 06, 2006 - 09:39 AM
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I had a bunch of fun. Steve (zombie) won by kicking my ass in the final (table 1) game. He played excellently and deserved the win. I think the luck facter (his good, mine bad) accounted for the massive extent of the ass-whooping I suffered. Wink

I sure could have used some Tackle for facing Zombie but then I would have had to drop the 2nd golem to get the extra skills and that would have meant I would have lost those amazingly close games against guys like Joe and his killa orcs and therefore wouldn't have reached table 1 by turn 6.
Anyway, I went 5-1. But that "1" was an epic loss.

I'm thinking Orcs for the next Open.

Kolja
Spazzfist - Mar 06, 2006 - 10:03 AM
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      Kolja_TBBF wrote:

I'm thinking Orcs for the next Open.


I'm thinking anything BUT goblins! (Or halflings for that matter)
Ben - Mar 06, 2006 - 11:15 AM
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Thanks all for coming!!

I hope everyone arrived home safe. I really had a fun time putting this tournament together and have learned a lot of things on how make it even better for next year.

i have attaches the results below and i will post picturs up within the next couple of days.

Thanks again for everyone who attended.


Rank Coach Race Total
1 Steve Lancelette Wood Elves 336
2 Cam Weaver Lizardmen 324
3 Brian St James Amazons 324
4 Kolja Eppert Necro 315
5 Joe Michaud Orc 314
6 Guillaume Caovette Norse 296
7 Manuel Leclerc Undead 284
8 Benjamin Vachon Necro 276
9 Paul Connors Skaven 275
10 George Hewitt Khemri 275
11 Rob Pharand Orc 254
12 Dennis Clapham Lizardmen 244
13 Peter Meers Necro 240
14 Rick French Chaos 227
15 Erwan Lecren Norse 226
16 James Scholfield Chaos Dwarf 225
17 Dave Sutton Goblin 224
18 Billy Zavos Orc 214
19 Eric Rubli Human 213
20 Craig Thompson Wood Goblin 207
21 Anthony Watts Orc 196
22 Garth Elliott Human 186
23 Robert Hosek Vampire 165
24 Grant Hallas Human 153

Edit** ties were broken up by td differential.

CO Champion Steve Lalancette
Wooden Spoon Grant Hallas
Most TDs Steve Lalancette with 22
Best Painted Paul Connors (skaven) Nice Job!
Best Sportsman Garth Elliot (your sucha nice guy)
Fewest TDs Against Billy Zavos with 5 (i'm still scrathing my head on this one)
Most Casualties George Hewitt with 20

Ben
Kolja_TBBF - Mar 06, 2006 - 11:40 AM
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Cool.
When do the rankings get updated on this sight? Go necros!
Wink

K
VBZ - Mar 06, 2006 - 01:24 PM
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      Ben wrote:

Fewest TDs Against Billy Zavos with 5 (i'm still scrathing my head on this one)

Ben


I TOLD you I could play beaatch!!!! Now I just need to learn how to score with catcherless orcs who have a disturbing penchant for tripping over the goaline and you're all in the shizznit!!! Laughing Laughing Laughing
Clan_Skaven - Mar 06, 2006 - 02:18 PM
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Congratz all, I am really pi$$ed I coudn't be there! (My boss is a turd!)

It sounds like a great tourney by all!

Joe way to support Niagara in your 2nd 5th finnish in two CDN opens! (2004 & 2006)

Zombie wins! (Grrrr) Seriously great job by him.

I was hoping Cam's lizards would falter, but it was not to be, way to go Cam.

Kolja I guess your not the BB God I thought you were! LOL!

I can't belive Craig was able to get a win (nevermind 2) good job!

Talons what happened? (you were supposed to play Elves, probably should have, looks like you kinda blew chunks with Orcs! Laughing )

Well Mr. Ben, looks like you put on a great tourney, I hope I'll be there next year!

Looks like my next tourney will be the Death-Cup in Washington DC.

Hope to see some of you guys there!

Take care, Rod.
Spazzfist - Mar 06, 2006 - 02:22 PM
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20th out of 24? Wow! I didn't think I did that well!

I am also surprised that Schofield didn;t get the best Sportsman award. I know that he took his losses very well! Shocked Wink
Spazzfist - Mar 06, 2006 - 02:25 PM
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      Clan-Skaven wrote:
I can't belive Craig was able to get a win (nevermind 2) good job!


Thanks man. Appreciate the vote of confidence! Razz

      Clan-Skaven wrote:
Talons .... looks like you kinda blew chunks...)


Is "Chunks" one of the new players on the Maple Leafs? Laughing

Serves him right for not playing the pansy team he is used to!
Kolja_TBBF - Mar 06, 2006 - 02:31 PM
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"Kolja I guess your not the BB God I thought you were! LOL! "

Yeeesh, you lose 1 game in 2 Canadian Opens (2005, 2006) and you lose 'god' status...
Wink
garth - Mar 06, 2006 - 03:02 PM
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      grant85 wrote:
The 'Auto Bitch' will see you guys


You were MY Auto Bitch. Thanks for getting the Lick's workers to sing to me as I waited for my order.... Shocked

Very Happy

Garth
garth - Mar 06, 2006 - 03:12 PM
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      Ben wrote:

1 Steve Lancelette Wood Elves 336
2 Cam Weaver Lizardmen 324
3 Brian St James Amazons 324
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.
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CO Champion Steve Lalancette
Wooden Spoon Grant Hallas
Most TDs Steve Lalancette with 22
Best Painted Paul Connors (skaven) Nice Job!
Best Sportsman Garth Elliot (your sucha nice guy)
Fewest TDs Against Billy Zavos with 5 (i'm still scrathing my head on this one)
Most Casualties George Hewitt with 20


It was really hard for us (Brian, Billy, Steve, and I) to get into the car, with our heads swelled so big... Our car accounted for 6 of the 10 prizes (none of which was the Wooden Spoon!).

And I can't belive you guys had a pool on how bad I was going to place. Two tourneys in a row I get 5+ TDs in a game!

Ben, you ARE the man. Thanks for a well run, fun tourney.

Garth
Grell - Mar 06, 2006 - 04:45 PM
Post subject: Well it shows I wasn'tthat rusty
Thanks for the weekend guys it was great. I just want to say that after a 1 year absense I still kick ass at the Canadian Open next year is Mine Mawawawahahahahahaha

Great stuff guys Smile
KarlLagerbottom - Mar 07, 2006 - 10:50 AM
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This sounded like a blast...I thought Zombie was planning on playing Ogres. I'm sure Steve did some mathematical algorithm to help in "min/max"-ing the WoodElves.

What was the skill pool that he selected? Also, what did Koilja take for the Necros?

Actually...I'd love to hear what all the attendees did for skills. Smile

-Rob
AnthonyTBBF - Mar 07, 2006 - 12:02 PM
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The only skills Zombie took were for the Wardancers. One had Pro/Strip Ball, and the other Pro/Tackle.

I killed the Strip Ball guy Smile
Paul - Mar 07, 2006 - 12:14 PM
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For my Skaven, I took Mighty Blow/Tackle on both Stormvirmin and Block on all 4 Gutters. I also gave one Gutter Side Step, which was incredibly useful.
KarlLagerbottom - Mar 07, 2006 - 01:37 PM
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      AnthonyTBBF wrote:
The only skills Zombie took were for the Wardancers. One had Pro/Strip Ball, and the other Pro/Tackle.

I killed the Strip Ball guy Smile


I guess the extra cash allowed for more re-rolls or positionals then...can you recall what this looked like?

-RobO
KarlLagerbottom - Mar 07, 2006 - 01:38 PM
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      Paul wrote:
For my Skaven, I took Mighty Blow/Tackle on both Stormvirmin and Block on all 4 Gutters. I also gave one Gutter Side Step, which was incredibly useful.


Hmm...how did that combo work on the StormVermin? Did you have a RatOgre?

-RobO
AnthonyTBBF - Mar 07, 2006 - 02:08 PM
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      KarlLagerbottom wrote:
I guess the extra cash allowed for more re-rolls or positionals then...can you recall what this looked like?


I can't remember exact numbers, but I know he had 2 Rerolls and no Thrower. He had a few Catchers too.
Paul - Mar 07, 2006 - 02:20 PM
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He had a few Catchers too.


I didn't play him, but from what I saw there was 3 Catchers, the 2 War Dancers, a Treeman and a bunch of Lineelfs. I'm not sure if he had an apoth or not.


      Quote:
Hmm...how did that combo work on the StormVermin? Did you have a RatOgre?


I had a Rat Ogre, I left him skillless, which you can argue made him weaker going against Minotaurs with Block in 3 games. I was sure that going into the tournament, the Rat Ogre was going to be nothing but a distraction to my opponent and I was not going to risk any blitzes with the guy (damn Wild Animal) so he did really well attracting hits from other big guys that might have been directed towards Gutter Runners. I will admit that him not having block cost me the game against Brians Amazons (hit on one turn bothdown, next turn, Rat Ogre blitz the ball carier, (I know, I said he wouldn't, but hes the only guy who could) bothdown

The Mighty Blow/Tackle was great on the Stormvirmine. I think they combined for 6 of the 8 casualties I inflicted in the tournamnet. The Tackle was kinda usless though, the only game where it really mattered was against Brians Amazons. My opponents were Norse x2, Orcs, Chaos Dwarfs and Vampires, so Tackle wasn't much of a factor. But, after seeing the number of pow/dodges that my Gutter Runners took, I would have still taken Tackle. The line going into the tournament was 5 other Skaven Teams, 2 Goblin, 2 Lizardmen, 1 High Elf, 3 Necros (come here ghouls),1 Amazon and 2 Human (catchers) and 1 Undead (more Ghouls) I wanted a guy who can make sure that the pow/dodges turned into pows against them.


I also had a thrower, 3 line rats, 2 re rolls and a fan factor.
Clan_Skaven - Mar 07, 2006 - 02:33 PM
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      KarlLagerbottom wrote:
This sounded like a blast...I thought Zombie was planning on playing Ogres. I'm sure Steve did some mathematical algorithm to help in "min/max"-ing the WoodElves.

What was the skill pool that he selected? Also, what did Koilja take for the Necros?

Actually...I'd love to hear what all the attendees did for skills. Smile

-Rob


I was not there Rob, but I'll let you know the roster I was planning on bringing, (I think it would have done well.)

SKAVEN TEAM

1)Gutter Runner + Block=110,000
2)Gutter Runner + Block=110,000
3)Gutter Runner + Block=110,000
4)Gutter Runner + Block=110,000
5)Rat Ogre + Block=180,000
6)Storm Vermin + Tackle & Mighty Blow=150,000
7)Thrower + AG+1=150,000
8)Line Rat=50,000
9)Line Rat=50,000
10)Line Rat=50,000
11)Line Rat=50,000

2 RR's=120,000
1FF=10,000
------------------------------------------------------------------------
=1,250,000

Paul do you think this might have been better than the roster you took? (Or does anyone else think my roster would have done well?)

Thanks, Rod.
Kolja_TBBF - Mar 07, 2006 - 02:37 PM
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I took 2 golems, 2 wights, 2 weres, 2 ghouls, 4 zombies. 2 RR, 1 FF.
I added Block to the golems and weres and surehands to the ghouls (6 skills total).

I found in the past that I had lots of trouble with strong teams so I took the 2nd golem and went without tackle skills, etc.
It worked - I beat an Orc team and a Khemri team, for example. Unfortunately, when I met Zombie and his woodies in game 6, I was in trouble.

Kolja
AnthonyTBBF - Mar 07, 2006 - 02:38 PM
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      Paul wrote:
I didn't play him, but from what I saw there was 3 Catchers, the 2 War Dancers, a Treeman and a bunch of Lineelfs. I'm not sure if he had an apoth or not.


Oh yeah, he had an Apoth too.
Spazzfist - Mar 07, 2006 - 02:42 PM
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1 chainsaw, 1 fanatic, 1 bomber, 1 pogo, 12 gobbos and 2 trolls. The trolls had block, 2 gobbos had diving tackle (pretty useless in the tourney) and 1 had sprint.

Block on the trolls was brilliant, but that was about it.

Da Scum took block on the troll and 3 AG4 gobbos which would have been a much better choice. I might have gone that way myself, but really wanted to use the secret weapons. He only had the ball and chain.
KarlLagerbottom - Mar 07, 2006 - 04:24 PM
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      Spazzfist wrote:
1 chainsaw, 1 fanatic, 1 bomber, 1 pogo, 12 gobbos and 2 trolls. The trolls had block, 2 gobbos had diving tackle (pretty useless in the tourney) and 1 had sprint.

Block on the trolls was brilliant, but that was about it.

Da Scum took block on the troll and 3 AG4 gobbos which would have been a much better choice. I might have gone that way myself, but really wanted to use the secret weapons. He only had the ball and chain.


Dude...I talked about the AG Increase...I thought that was a gimme with stunties. I considered getting flings with as many as I could afford with AG +1...maybe even only going with Deeproot if that meant lots of ingredients.
CyberHare - Mar 07, 2006 - 04:54 PM
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That was a great weekend guys. We should do that more often!

In case anyone was wondering here is the lineup I took.

The Scarlet Mist - Amazons

4 Blitzers - 6337 - Dodge, Block, Guard
2 Catchers - 6337 - Dodge, Catch, Block
1 Thrower - 6337 - Dodge, Pass, Sure Hands
3 LineWomen - 6337 - Dodge, Block
2 LineWomen - 6337 - Dodge
3 Rerolls
1 FF
Spazzfist - Mar 07, 2006 - 04:57 PM
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      KarlLagerbottom wrote:
Dude...I talked about the AG Increase...I thought that was a gimme with stunties.


Yeah, maybe so, but I had converted my whole team out of plastics, including the secret weapons so I wanted to field them, even if it meant that my team was not as competitive. I mean, c'mon they're gobbos! How competetive can you be? Smile
Paul - Mar 07, 2006 - 05:28 PM
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      Clan-Skaven wrote:


SKAVEN TEAM

1)Gutter Runner + Block=110,000
2)Gutter Runner + Block=110,000
3)Gutter Runner + Block=110,000
4)Gutter Runner + Block=110,000
5)Rat Ogre + Block=180,000
6)Storm Vermin + Tackle & Mighty Blow=150,000
7)Thrower + AG+1=150,000
8)Line Rat=50,000
9)Line Rat=50,000
10)Line Rat=50,000
11)Line Rat=50,000

2 RR's=120,000
1FF=10,000
------------------------------------------------------------------------
=1,250,000

Paul do you think this might have been better than the roster you took? (Or does anyone else think my roster would have done well?)

Thanks, Rod.


The big difference in our rosters is I had an extra stormvirmine while your Rat Ogre had Block. The MB/Tackle combo led me to 2 Bag of Wheat Bonusus and tied casualties in another game, not to shabby for Skaven. (considering I was playing alot of power teams, I out casualtied Norse and CDs)

The +1 AG on a thrower would have come in handy. The Side Step on my Gutter won me 1 game for sure, and against Talons it would have made his tieing Touchdown alot harder if he didn't screw up the play by blitzing too early.

I found that the Stormvirmin became a target with MB on them, so having a second one to keep hurting guys after they got to the first one came in handy. I say that Block on the Rat Ogre would have been useless. He spent alot of time on the ground because he couldn't stand up without wasting a blitz action. I might have even left him off the team all together to grab a few more skills and a reroll.
Paul - Mar 07, 2006 - 05:29 PM
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      Spazzfist wrote:

Yeah, maybe so, but I had converted my whole team out of plastics, including the secret weapons so I wanted to field them, even if it meant that my team was not as competitive. I mean, c'mon they're gobbos! How competetive can you be? Smile


yea, anyone who seriously thinks their going to win a tournament with gobbos is seriously out to lunch. They were nice minis though Craig, well done.
KarlLagerbottom - Mar 07, 2006 - 05:49 PM
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The big difference in our rosters is I had an extra stormvirmine while your Rat Ogre had Block. The MB/Tackle combo led me to 2 Bag of Wheat Bonusus and tied casualties in another game, not to shabby for Skaven. (considering I was playing alot of power teams, I out casualtied Norse and CDs)

The +1 AG on a thrower would have come in handy. The Side Step on my Gutter won me 1 game for sure, and against Talons it would have made his tieing Touchdown alot harder if he didn't screw up the play by blitzing too early.

I found that the Stormvirmin became a target with MB on them, so having a second one to keep hurting guys after they got to the first one came in handy. I say that Block on the Rat Ogre would have been useless. He spent alot of time on the ground because he couldn't stand up without wasting a blitz action. I might have even left him off the team all together to grab a few more skills and a reroll.


Personally...I don't think that the Rat Ogre needs Block. Sure it's a great skill to give him, but if you wanted to be more economical with the points and still give the Rat Ogre some added value...Guard or Break Tackle is almost as good at half the price. Don't forget that even if you fail the Wild Animal roll, you still have a TZ and Guard would be big....to be honest...I almost rather stack the RO with these two skills than give him Block.

Regarding CAS bonus points...last years Phrakus saw a 4-way tie in casualties going into the final game. That was 3 Skaven teams and an Ogre team. The Ogre team ended up winning by 1. (I drew Orcs in the last games and ended up finishing 3rd in CAS.)

Blodge on all 4 Gutter Runners must have been nice, but I would have split them down the middle at least to open up the possibilities of these magic rats. I never finalized my roster once I knew I wasn't going to be able to make it, but I seriously thought about...and actually ordered the models for...4 gutter runners with very long legs. Sure I probably couldn't afford to give them all block, but imagine what that much speed would have meant. Four MA 10 players would have been alot to handle.

sucks being me missing this one...I have some ideas for other rosters, but I think I'll keep them to myself in case I can make it next year. Wink

-RobO


Although...I will say that a Wolf with MightyBlow could be a Casualty Machine. Smile
Spazzfist - Mar 07, 2006 - 05:53 PM
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What about tentacle for the rat ogre? I think tentacle on the WA's is a great investment. Never lose their tackle zone and have the high ST.
garth - Mar 07, 2006 - 07:03 PM
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      KarlLagerbottom wrote:
This sounded like a blast...I thought Zombie was planning on playing Ogres. I'm sure Steve did some mathematical algorithm to help in "min/max"-ing the WoodElves.


You say that like it is a bad thing. Very Happy

The whole damn thing is about maximizing chance. NOBODY serious about BB goes to a tournament and just 'plays'.

      KarlLagerbottom wrote:
Actually...I'd love to hear what all the attendees did for skills. Smile


Do you really care about my roster? I was playing Humans, and came third last... Sad

BUT, I do know that our 4-person car accounted for 6 of the 10 prizes...! Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy We SOOOO rock!
twist - Mar 07, 2006 - 09:17 PM
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      garth wrote:
The whole damn thing is about maximizing chance. NOBODY serious about BB goes to a tournament and just 'plays'.


Maximizing chance, yeah. I am serious about my roster, though it was just a 1,250,00gps conversion of my regular skill choices at a 1 mil tourney.

I hate math, so there isn't any equations in it for me, other than the strategy "do the stuff that doesn't take any dice rolling first!" Laughing
CyberHare - Mar 08, 2006 - 03:40 AM
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      twist wrote:
I hate math, so there isn't any equations in it for me, other than the strategy "do the stuff that doesn't take any dice rolling first!" Laughing


Hey we played the same strategy. I guess that explains why we tied Very Happy
KarlLagerbottom - Mar 08, 2006 - 04:18 AM
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      Spazzfist wrote:
What about tentacle for the rat ogre? I think tentacle on the WA's is a great investment. Never lose their tackle zone and have the high ST.


That's true...especially coupled with Prehensile Tail. That will make it even tougher to get away, and will help to ensure that you don't have to use the Blitz to get something out of the RatOgre.
VBZ - Mar 08, 2006 - 04:29 AM
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I had some trouble scoring with these buggers but they sure coukld bog down a team something fierce:

Black Orc Block, Guard
Black Orc Block, Guard
Black Orc Block, Guard
Black Orc Block, Guard
Blitzer Block, Tackle
Blitzer Block, Tackle
Thrower Pass, surehands
Lineman
Lineman
2RR
1FF

Next time definately think I'll replace a tackle with a strip ball given the abundance of bashy teams ( though this trend might change due to zombie's win), I liked the guard on the black orcs-- always an easy assist when you needed it --- not to mention a nightmare of a cage. Yet , for some reason despite the great frequency with which I knocked down opposing players I had some trouble breaking armour... perhaps replace one guard with a mighty blow and block with him every turn?
KarlLagerbottom - Mar 08, 2006 - 08:33 AM
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      VBZ wrote:
I had some trouble scoring with these buggers but they sure coukld bog down a team something fierce:

Black Orc Block, Guard
Black Orc Block, Guard
Black Orc Block, Guard
Black Orc Block, Guard
Blitzer Block, Tackle
Blitzer Block, Tackle
Thrower Pass, surehands
Lineman
Lineman
2RR
1FF



Next time definately think I'll replace a tackle with a strip ball given the abundance of bashy teams ( though this trend might change due to zombie's win), I liked the guard on the black orcs-- always an easy assist when you needed it --- not to mention a nightmare of a cage. Yet , for some reason despite the great frequency with which I knocked down opposing players I had some trouble breaking armour... perhaps replace one guard with a mighty blow and block with him every turn?


Hey Billy...looking at that roster, I think I can see why you had trouble scoring...you only had 9 players.

Better luck next time. Rolling Eyes:
VBZ - Mar 08, 2006 - 09:30 AM
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Oooops! Embarassed Forgot the other two blizters that I gave no skills to.....
Smarta$$! Wink
Clan_Skaven - Mar 14, 2006 - 02:47 PM
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Even when I'm not in a tourney, I'm ancy!!!!

Any idea when the NAF rankings will be updated?

Rod.
twist - Mar 14, 2006 - 04:39 PM
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I was gonna say that... I have no idea what I am at anymore!

Great tourney Ben! Its good to know that Canada's longest running tournament will continue its legacy... Its in fine hands!
Ben - Mar 15, 2006 - 08:14 AM
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      twist wrote:
I was gonna say that... I have no idea what I am at anymore!

Great tourney Ben! Its good to know that Canada's longest running tournament will continue its legacy... Its in fine hands!


Thanks Twist!

I will try and get the results entered in this weekend.

Ben
Clan_Skaven - Mar 15, 2006 - 05:14 PM
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      twist wrote:
I was gonna say that... I have no idea what I am at anymore!

Great tourney Ben! Its good to know that Canada's longest running tournament will continue its legacy... Its in fine hands!


Twist your such a kiss a$$!!!!!!!!!!! Laughing Laughing Laughing

(but Ben he's right your a great guy for the job!)

(mind you I'm kinda drunk Shocked .................................GO BEER!)
Da_Scum - Mar 16, 2006 - 09:04 AM
Post subject:
      Clan-Skaven wrote:
      twist wrote:
I was gonna say that... I have no idea what I am at anymore!

Great tourney Ben! Its good to know that Canada's longest running tournament will continue its legacy... Its in fine hands!


Twist your such a kiss a$$!!!!!!!!!!! Laughing Laughing Laughing

(but Ben he's right your a great guy for the job!)

(mind you I'm kinda drunk Shocked .................................GO BEER!)


Well seeing as he put up with not just one but TWO Goblin teams he's downright saintly. (Oh sure Galek had the one year of putting up with Three at Gencon, but he only has to take one of them seriously Laughing Okay maybe "seriously" isn't quite the right term to use there... Rolling Eyes )

Canadian Open just keeps on setting the High standards the rest have to reach, that's all there is to it... now we just need to start getting the rest of those worthless bums from around North America to start coming back to be schooled be East and West.... Twisted Evil

And remember, if you don't want Zombie to do well QUIT matching him up against Da Maggot Scum! I swear he bribes my boys for a fluffer game every time and suddenly he's on a roll! Razz

...and with all those cheerleaders on the squad "fluffer" takes on new meaning... Shocked
grant85 - Mar 17, 2006 - 08:18 PM
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Hey Ben,
are u ever gona post those pics you took durring the weekend? if yes let us know where (www.pushpush.com or otherwise)
-i kinda want to see the pic of me getting the spoon Smile
Da_Scum - Mar 18, 2006 - 07:46 AM
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      grant85 wrote:
Hey Ben,
are u ever gona post those pics you took durring the weekend? if yes let us know where (www.pushpush.com or otherwise)
-i kinda want to see the pic of me getting the spoon Smile


Do we REALLY want to see photos of what you got up to in the Hotel room? Ick..... Embarassed
grant85 - Mar 18, 2006 - 02:26 PM
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LOL- i bet YOU do! Mr. Green
Da_Scum - Mar 19, 2006 - 09:19 AM
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      grant85 wrote:
LOL- i bet YOU do! Mr. Green


Only if the Official NAF Thongs are involved...mrow... Laughing
Ben - Mar 31, 2006 - 10:32 AM
Post subject: Pics
Here's a link to some of the pics. Sorry not all of them turned out so there is a few missing.

www.pushpush.com

Ben
Spazzfist - Mar 31, 2006 - 11:20 AM
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Never mind pictures Ben, when are the results going to be entered for ranking? I want to see how much further I have to go before I beat Da Scum's rating with my gobbos!
Wolfhowl - Mar 31, 2006 - 05:46 PM
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Trust me Spazzfist, you have a LONG way to go before you take him off of that particular hill.
CyberHare - Apr 04, 2006 - 07:19 PM
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Ok now that Ben has gone and taken down the rules for this event of course I want to see them Rolling Eyes Does anyone have the Secret Weapon rules that Ben used? It's the only thing I have left to add to the New World Cup tourney pack so I can mail it out.

Thanks,
Clan_Skaven - Apr 21, 2006 - 06:47 AM
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      CyberHare wrote:
Ok now that Ben has gone and taken down the rules for this event of course I want to see them Rolling Eyes Does anyone have the Secret Weapon rules that Ben used? It's the only thing I have left to add to the New World Cup tourney pack so I can mail it out.

Thanks,


Nevermind that when are the results going up, The Death-Cup in DC is already here & gone & the results were posted that same weekend. Was the tourney not 2 weeks before St. Patty's day?

Ben c'mon man..... dance those results in with a double step! Wink

Rod
Clan_Skaven - Apr 24, 2006 - 07:55 PM
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Is Ben ok? I hope so.

Maybe he's on Vacation?

Does anyone know when the stats are going in?


Rod.
twist - Apr 24, 2006 - 09:14 PM
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He's been really busy lately he said. Hope it doesn't take too much longer!
CyberHare - Apr 26, 2006 - 04:52 PM
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Well I can't wait any longer to take my sample from the results database. The rankings used for the New World Cup will have to be without the Canadian Open results entered Evil or Very Mad
Ben - Apr 27, 2006 - 08:35 AM
Post subject: Results will be entered in soon
Fuck guys

I don't have my computer at my new house set up, between getting ready for moving to a new home and now living in the new home with all my furniture still in the condo and that i have 2 jobs to support 2 mortgages, the fucken results are going to have to wait a bit longer.

Sorry for the inconvenience.
Clan_Skaven - Apr 27, 2006 - 08:59 AM
Post subject: Re: Results will be entered in soon
      Ben wrote:
*censored* guys

I don't have my computer at my new house set up, between getting ready for moving to a new home and now living in the new home with all my furniture still in the condo and that i have 2 jobs to support 2 mortgages, the fucken results are going to have to wait a bit longer.

Sorry for the inconvenience.


Ben its all cool , no worries...

Never knew the details of your situation, sorry to piss you off buddy.

To be honest I was kinda worried about ya (your usually quick to respond to an inquery here on the forum, & with it being this long since your last post my concern turned from he's friggen takin way too long to, I hope he's ok (not sick or anything).

I'm glad your ok buddy, straiten out your home's & eveything & we will see the results when we see em.

Do you need a hand moving if so tell me I'm sure I can arrange a time out of my scheadual to have twist help ya. Wink

Seriously if you need a hand just ask me buddy if its on a weekend (& im not out of town workin I can help)

So no hard feelings Ben?

Talk to you later (maybe, lets say another 6-8 weeks?) Wink Laughing Razz just kidding......

Rod.
Spazzfist - Apr 27, 2006 - 09:48 AM
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Gee Rod,

Last page you were accusing Twist of being a kiss ass. But you have your tongue jammed in there deep! Laughing

"I want to quit you, but I can't!" Laughing


Spazz
CyberHare - Apr 27, 2006 - 10:10 AM
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Well someone needs a time out Laughing

Don't worry about it Ben. As long as you get them in before the next Canadian open it's all good Very Happy
Ben - Apr 27, 2006 - 11:05 AM
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oh guys, you all know i'm the sweetest guy....I just felt like having fun with you all.

I know these results should have been entered in a long time ago and i do apologize for that but it's not because i am doing nothing and picking my a$$. I promise they will be in within the next two weeks.

Thanks for the patience.

Ben
Ben - Apr 27, 2006 - 11:07 AM
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Oh and thanks for the offer Rod, much appreciated. I do have planty of help already but i will give you a call to come over for a beer sometime.

Hopefully you can make it for the Qermiit.

Ben
Spazzfist - Apr 27, 2006 - 12:43 PM
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      Ben wrote:

Hopefully you can make it for the Qermiit.


Hey! He will be out fo rthe Q'ermitt if I have to drive out the nation's capital and pick him up myself! Somebody has to contest Lagerbottom for the wooden spoon! Laughing

Spazz
KarlLagerbottom - Apr 27, 2006 - 01:28 PM
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      Spazzfist wrote:
Somebody has to contest Lagerbottom for the wooden spoon! :lol:Spazz


Spazz...I'm glad to hear you'll be playing in your own tournament. Good luck with that! Smile
CyberHare - Apr 27, 2006 - 01:39 PM
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Ding. One point for Lagerbottom Laughing
Paul - Apr 27, 2006 - 03:16 PM
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Least he can get points here Very Happy
Clan_Skaven - Apr 27, 2006 - 07:20 PM
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      Paul wrote:
Least he can get points here Very Happy


Just how many points did you get at the 2006 SPIKE? Laughing

Rod
Paul - Apr 27, 2006 - 07:35 PM
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      Clan-Skaven wrote:
      Paul wrote:
Least he can get points here Very Happy


Just how many points did you get at the 2006 SPIKE? Laughing

Rod


Not going to the 2006 spike you dolt. That thing looks like GW has their dirty fingerprints all over it and I want nothing to do with it.
Clan_Skaven - May 01, 2006 - 12:28 PM
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      Paul wrote:
      Clan-Skaven wrote:
      Paul wrote:
Least he can get points here Very Happy


Just how many points did you get at the 2006 SPIKE? Laughing

Rod


Not going to the 2006 spike you dolt. That thing looks like GW has their dirty fingerprints all over it and I want nothing to do with it.


I meant the 2005 SPIKE!
Kolja_TBBF - May 15, 2006 - 01:29 PM
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Still waiting for the rankings.................
Clan_Skaven - May 15, 2006 - 04:27 PM
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      Kolja_TBBF wrote:
Still waiting for the rankings.................


Shhhhh man! You'll get Ben all Tiffey again! Wink

Rod
Clan_Skaven - May 22, 2006 - 01:22 AM
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Ben admit it you lost the results when you moved! Shocked Wink

Ben the Orcs are getting restless! where are the results?

Rod! Laughing
Kolja_TBBF - May 24, 2006 - 02:47 PM
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Results, Results, Results!

K
Ben - May 30, 2006 - 06:48 AM
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Ok Started working on them yesterday and got the first round in.

I will enter a round a day and will be done shortly!!!
Clan_Skaven - May 30, 2006 - 06:53 AM
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      Ben wrote:
Ok Started working on them yesterday and got the first round in.

I will enter a round a day and will be done shortly!!!


Wow! did i read that ..........................................................CRASH!

Sorry just fell off my chair from shock.

I'll start again.... "Wow did I read that right? Ben is actually entering the Canadian Open results!"

Wow!

Rod.
Spazzfist - May 30, 2006 - 07:13 AM
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      Clan-Skaven wrote:
      Ben wrote:
Ok Started working on them yesterday and got the first round in.

I will enter a round a day and will be done shortly!!!


Wow! did i read that ..........................................................CRASH!

Sorry just fell off my chair from shock.

I'll start again.... "Wow did I read that right? Ben is actually entering the Canadian Open results!"

Wow!


Shhhhhh! Don't distract him! He has to do this all from memory now! Wink
Da_Scum - May 30, 2006 - 10:25 AM
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      Spazzfist wrote:
      Clan-Skaven wrote:
      Ben wrote:
Ok Started working on them yesterday and got the first round in.

I will enter a round a day and will be done shortly!!!


Wow! did i read that ..........................................................CRASH!

Sorry just fell off my chair from shock.

I'll start again.... "Wow did I read that right? Ben is actually entering the Canadian Open results!"

Wow!


Shhhhhh! Don't distract him! He has to do this all from memory now! Wink


You mean he was using his laptop then for something other then watching porn during the event? Laughing Shocked Laughing
Kolja_TBBF - May 31, 2006 - 07:16 AM
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Yeah, wasn't he watching something called "Strictly Balls Room"?

Laughing

K
Clan_Skaven - May 31, 2006 - 07:39 AM
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      Kolja_TBBF wrote:
Yeah, wasn't he watching something called "Strictly Balls Room"?

Laughing

K


Thought it was "Strictly Ballroom Dancing!"

Laughing

Rod
Ben - May 31, 2006 - 10:42 AM
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Ok.... the results are all entered.

Just need someone to push the button to finalize them.

Ben
Xtreme - May 31, 2006 - 09:06 PM
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You beat OMM who still doen't have the TKC results in. Wink
Paul - May 31, 2006 - 09:34 PM
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Ben - NAF Rep for Canada
OMM - Tresurer for NAF

you guys should really be setting a better example Smile

Thanks for getting those in Ben.
Clan_Skaven - May 31, 2006 - 09:46 PM
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      Paul wrote:
Ben - NAF Rep for Canada
OMM - Tresurer for NAF

you guys should really be setting a better example Smile

Thanks for getting those in Ben.


Paul your not the worst Skaven coach in Canada anymore, what a shame, you lost your title!

Laughing

Rod
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