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CyberHare - Jan 24, 2006 - 02:44 PM
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All right ladies and gents this topic has been a little quiet but it's going to happen. Pen April 29th & 30th into your calender and get your teams together. We'll be holding it Fat Cat Comics in Jay's neck of the Woods.

The full rules will follow soon as well as more info. For now here's the basics. It'll be a team event. 5 players per team. Teams can be formed from any 5 coaches anywhere. They just have to all agree to be a team. We're going to have to keep an eye on the number of teams that register. We'll need an even number of teams to run the event.

Ok that's it for now. Start forming those teams, pick a name and sound off. Just make sure all members of your team can make it to the tourney Wink

Hoshi_Komi - Jan 24, 2006 - 04:56 PM
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tournament RULES LINK
http://www.house-rulez.com/nwc/nwctrb.pdf

lawquoter - Jan 24, 2006 - 05:26 PM
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This is in philly brian?

CyberHare - Jan 24, 2006 - 07:29 PM
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Yes Sir. Jay do you have the full address and details on the location?

CyberHare - Jan 24, 2006 - 07:36 PM
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Space isn't unlimited everyone. Though I don't think it'll be an issue there's only space for 6 teams of 5. 30 people. Get those confirmed teams into me sooner than later.

If people want to come but they don't have a team they should sound off here so that people organizing a team will know who to contact if they need to fill out their ranks.

KarlLagerbottom - Jan 24, 2006 - 07:40 PM
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I'll be there!!!!
-Rob

Hmmm...maybe I should have kept that to myself. Sorry Brian/Jay...I hope that doesn't dampen everyone's spirits. Sad

Hoshi_Komi - Jan 24, 2006 - 08:30 PM
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Well DC will confirm one team!

Ken

CyberHare - Jan 25, 2006 - 03:13 AM
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Rob are you gonna call your team "The Spooners" Laughing

jaylazer - Jan 25, 2006 - 06:51 AM
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The venue is Fat Cat Comics in Downingtown, PA. (This is where the Philly Phrakus was held last year).

The web site for the store is http://www.fatcatcomics.biz/contact.html

It is not in Philly proper but is relatively close by.

jaylazer - Jan 25, 2006 - 06:52 AM
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OH yeah. Philly will confirm one team.

KarlLagerbottom - Jan 25, 2006 - 06:59 AM
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CyberHare wrote:

Rob are you gonna call your team "The Spooners" Laughing

Brian-
Who told you that I like to spoon. That was supposed to be a secret. Smile

-RobO

CyberHare - Jan 25, 2006 - 07:45 AM
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Word gets around Laughing

KarlLagerbottom - Jan 25, 2006 - 08:18 AM
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CyberHare wrote:

Word gets around Laughing

So do I.

By the way, I'm looking for a place to crash for Death Bowl 4. Do you have a place for me to cuddle? Wink

-RobO

VBZ - Jan 25, 2006 - 09:02 AM
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I 'll be letting some people crash over at my place for DB4. Me and the wife just bought a house and we have no kids yet, so there's plenty of room. There will be a few conditions though... no smoking, no drinking, no comming in late and so hammered you ralf on my carpet and by so doing wake up my better half, stuff like that. I'll be preferential towards out of towners strapped for cash. I'll post some more details in a few months.

KarlLagerbottom - Jan 25, 2006 - 09:06 AM
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Billy-
I am looking for a clarification here...Is ralfing on the carpet ok as long as your wife sleeps through it? Smile

-RobO
(Master of the Inane)

VBZ - Jan 25, 2006 - 09:17 AM
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Hmmmm.... I would have to go with no 'cause the smell is a bitch to get rid of.

BB_Babe - Jan 25, 2006 - 09:18 AM
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I should know my exam/paper schedule for next semester by the middle of next week. That looks like a tough weekend for Mel to get away. But I'll light up the Bean Team signal and see if we can get a travelling crew.

Cheers,
Mo

KarlLagerbottom - Jan 25, 2006 - 09:44 AM
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BB_Babe wrote:

... Bean Team signal...

Mo...is this a direct response to VBZ's last post...or on the possibility of you coming to Philly for The Team Tourney? Smile

If it's the latter...I hope you can make it...if its the former... Sad

EDIT: Smell...bean...come on, you get it. And yes...it IS funny. Mad

BB_Babe - Jan 25, 2006 - 09:53 AM
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I'm staying on topic and politely disregarding the sub-thread Cool

Hoshi_Komi - Jan 25, 2006 - 10:03 AM
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Where's team Canada??? or will there be team Montreal and team Toronto????

Paul - Jan 25, 2006 - 10:45 AM
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Team Toronto is probably strapped for cash. I'll have to check my budget to see if I can make it. I wouldn't hold your breath on too many other people making it from the TBBF. It might just be Ben and myself if I can make it (but really, we can bobby fisher it and play 2-3 games at a time and still beat you guys Smile

)

Paul - Jan 25, 2006 - 10:47 AM
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On another note, how does the scoring work for the teams anyways? Is it like a standard tournament, and the team with the most wins takes the title? Does each team play each other in a round, ie, Team Toronto plays Team Boston in round 1, then they play Montreal in round 2 and then Philly in round 3?

jaylazer - Jan 25, 2006 - 10:54 AM
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I will have room at my house for up to 6 people. Like VBZ, we just got the house and have no children.

I live about 30 minutes from the venue but it's not that bad of a drive.

The closest hotels are still about 10 minutes away from the venue.

The one I used for the Phrakus was
http://www.ichotelsgroup.com/h/d/ex/1/en/hd/extex?irs=null

I'll get more of the travel info together over this weekend.

KarlLagerbottom - Jan 25, 2006 - 10:58 AM
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Paul wrote:

)

All I know is team USA did a pretty nice job with you Canucks at the Death Bowl. Exclamation

EDIT: That was despite me being on the team. Rolling Eyes

Paul - Jan 25, 2006 - 11:18 AM
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And not having to play me and Ben too much while we were there. I know I didn't loose to an American Cool

and I think Ben put the boots to a couple of you yanks. Very Happy

KarlLagerbottom - Jan 25, 2006 - 11:24 AM
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Paul wrote:

And not having to play me and Ben too much while we were there. I know I didn't loose to an American Cool

and I think Ben put the boots to a couple of you yanks. Very Happy

Typical TBBF Response right there from what I hear...

Me and Ben...Ben and Me...You Are Part Of Team Canada...not team "Ben and Co."

Besides...we all saw what happens when you're not on Ben's coat-tails. Look at the Q'erMitt finals...two words...

BEAT

DOWN

Please don't look at the results...I finished in last. Sad

Hoshi_Komi - Jan 25, 2006 - 11:26 AM
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Hey Paul, Rod works here in DC and I can make sure he shows up Smile

so there's another Team Toronto guy for ya Smile

Hoshi_Komi - Jan 25, 2006 - 11:27 AM
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I think with 6 teams it works perfectly: bascially you get a round robin tourney where you play every other team in 5 rounds.

I'd assume the team with most wins at the end is DA CHAMP Smile

jaylazer - Jan 25, 2006 - 11:32 AM
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I think that each team will rank their players 1 thru 5. Then the corresonding players match up in each round.

Hoshi_Komi - Jan 25, 2006 - 11:52 AM
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Eurobowl 2005 rules---should make a good starting point:
Event is NAF sanctioned www.bloodbowl.net
8 Teams per nation
No duplicate BB races per Nation, so 8 different BB races, no more, no less
More than one coach can play a team, but they have to use the same race and can swap from round to round
6 rounds, opponents will be randomised

Win = 1 point to your nation
Draw = 0.5 point to your nation
Loss = 0 points

Teams will be 1mil
After each round you may take one skill (normal roll) for a player on your team
No player may get more than one extra skill
After game 3 you may take a skill roll as if you rolled a double
Rosters are rest each round, with the exception of the extra skill being added
Apoths are allowed, team wizards and star players are not permitted

The winning nation will get first refusal to host next years event. Should England win, the second place nation gets this option instead.
In addition to this, the winners next year will be able to have a "trophy reroll", which allow them once per tournament to reroll a single roll. Note thats once over all the 6 games, for only 1 roll. You don't get 6, one for each round, so once someone used it up thats it for the whole team for the rest of the tournament. Shouldn't really give a big edge but adds a little fun for next year. We of course don't need it for ourselves this year!

so they did it by randomizing opponents.

KarlLagerbottom - Jan 25, 2006 - 12:43 PM
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gken1 wrote:

More than one coach can play a team, but they have to use the same race and can swap from round to round.

Does this mean that the Eurobowl format allows for more than 8 Coaches? I know they are limited to 8 Teams per country, but you could have say 11 coaches that can be there to alternate rounds?

Also, am I reading that correctly that if a coach plays Skaven, for example, that he can only play with that Race throuought the tourney. Even if there is some coach rotation, each coach can only play with one race for the full event.

I think a cool twist on that is to have Each Team have 5 racess, and then each of those five coaches has to play each race from his team at least once. This might be a cool way to guage the overall ability of a given team's coaches...regardless of which race they play.
(It might also have the side benefit of setting up a pre tourney dynamic where members discuss the roster make-up for eeach of the five teams before hand so that it is mutually beneficial to each coach...and maybe even have a sort of "Training Camp" where each coach gets some time in playing each of the races that will represent "Team Kalamazoo" for example.

Hmmm...

Uthrac - Jan 25, 2006 - 01:08 PM
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KarlLagerbottom wrote:

Also, am I reading that correctly that if a coach plays Skaven, for example, that he can only play with that Race throuought the tourney. Even if there is some coach rotation, each coach can only play with one race for the full event.

Hmmm...

I believe it means that the 5 teams are set for the event, however you may rotate your coaches among those 5 teams as you wish from round to round.

I also like the idea of "seeding" coaches 1-5. (Easy enough with NAF rankings.)

~Uthrac

KarlLagerbottom - Jan 25, 2006 - 01:15 PM
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Uthrac wrote:

I also like the idea of "seeding" coaches 1-5. (Easy enough with NAF rankings.)

~Uthrac

Yeah, but which would be the relevant rankings? Would you use your highest ranking as per NAF? Would you use your lowest? Would you use the ranking that you had with the same team you plan on using at this Tourney? What if you never played a tourney with the roster that you plan on using for this...would you start with the default 150? How would that work?

Brian?

Hoshi_Komi - Jan 25, 2006 - 02:19 PM
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I like the random playing. the ranking can be gamed. IE: I know Brian would play amazons, so I choose to play dwarves or something like that.

You could also set your skills up as you know who you're playing against in the next round. So I like not knowing who my next opponent is so this can't be done.

From my understanding of the coach swapping: It allows more than 5 coaches on the team but the switching can only occur between the two coaches playing the same team.

CyberHare - Jan 25, 2006 - 03:09 PM
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Lets not get too out of hand with rules speculation. A specific rule set will be used for this event which will be largely based on the Eurobowl but not exactly. Give me the weekend to sort it out exactly and then I'll post it up. There's a reason that we'll be using a specific rule set that will become apparent before the event. No it has nothing to do with PBBL or LRB.

Things I can confirm for sure at this time.

-All rosters a Team is fielding must be from different races. No duplicate races on the same team.

-All rosters must be TR 100

-Teams will be paired off based on the combined NAF ranking of the teams coaches for the first round. Following rounds will then be Swiss style matchups. (of course for our purposes that means you'll play each other team once so it's essentially round robin.)

Individual Win = 1 point to your Team
Individual Draw = 0.5 point to your Team
Individual Loss = 0 points to your team

As for the multiple coaches and team swapping I have to look into that. At this point in time my best idea of how it'll work is this. A team may be made up of more than 5 coaches but may only field 5 rosters. Coaches may sit out a round and reserve coaches can take their place. That's how I believe it's going to work. I'll confirm that for sure early next week.

Other than that we're not going to re invent the wheel here. Basic LRB4.0 rules. Standard skill progression and roster resetting.

KarlLagerbottom - Jan 25, 2006 - 03:47 PM
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Waiting patinetly for the official rules since apparently we are not allowed to speculate or discuss.
Confused

CyberHare - Jan 25, 2006 - 04:07 PM
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Sorry that's not what I meant. Man you clean up one thread and yer the soup nazzi for life. I simply meant that there is already a set of rules layed out for this event. Discuss at will. Simply meant that the discussion may not be taken into consideration when spelling out the rules.

No more spooning for you Rob. Laughing

Hoshi_Komi - Jan 25, 2006 - 06:56 PM
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I think I was just refering to the event rules..not lrb etc. rules Smile

jware30 - Jan 30, 2006 - 10:37 AM
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How many teams do you have at this point?

From the posts:
DC
Philly
Canada (partial)

Is that correct? I am wondering if I should try and put a team together, or see if anyone has free spots on thier team?

We have a 16 person leaguein Selden, NY.

BB_Babe - Jan 30, 2006 - 10:46 AM
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We're up to 4 potential players for a Bean Team, 2 of us are still waiting to sort out our semester workloads.

Paul - Jan 30, 2006 - 11:48 AM
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He he, yea but what do you expect when the TBBF is a bunch of cockey SOBs Cool

Actually, Ben will be a part of team "Paul and Co" if we go Cool

Yea, Q'ermitt finals wasn't too fun. Course, I did lay the beat down on him earlier in the day, and the game at the Deathbowl. Cool

I'll bring this up with the TBBF to see what kinda interest there is. It might just be a Team Canada though.

Spazzfist - Jan 30, 2006 - 12:21 PM
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Paul wrote:

Yea, Q'ermitt finals wasn't too fun.

That could be taken the wrong way there! Wink

Paul - Jan 30, 2006 - 01:12 PM
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sorry Spazz, let me edit that....

Yea, Q'ermitt finals wan't too fun playing Ben.

Still, trying to score with only 6 Dwarfs on the field in OT was a blast though. I got the ball all the way up to the Line of Scrimage before Bens 11 Dwarfs managed to overwhelm me.

CyberHare - Jan 30, 2006 - 04:32 PM
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It's not looking good for getting a team Montreal together so Paul & Ben if you guy's want to get together a team Canada I'd be up for that. We can get Rod and Garth together maybe to round out the team.

CyberHare - Jan 30, 2006 - 04:34 PM
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jware30 wrote:

I am wondering if I should try and put a team together, or see if anyone has free spots on thier team?

Get a team together. At this point there's no reserved spots so it's first come first serve.

Hoshi_Komi - Jan 31, 2006 - 08:27 AM
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so right now it looks like:
DC
Philly
Canada
Beantown
NY (Possible)
looks like we need one more===where's the Mafia??

Paul - Jan 31, 2006 - 09:11 AM
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Team Everyone else ??

twist - Feb 06, 2006 - 01:06 AM
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I am interested in attending, and being a part of Team Toronto/Canada. There are a lot of variables to work through, (Work, how I am getting there, cost, etc), but in a perfect world, I'd love to make it!

Re: Deathbowl~ Never lost to a Yankee. Was ranked 1 or 2 most of the tourney, till it started falling apart in BB7s. Doesn't work well when you have to play with 3 saurii and 4 skinks only. I took out Melifaxis on day 2, but the rotten ^%% still took 2nd! ARGH! Pretty sure we crushed the Amerks in head to head action... Wink

Re: Q'ermitt~ Had a blast, did pretty well! I am sure I wouldn't be the weak link of Team Canada with my Lizards! Smile

Paul - Feb 06, 2006 - 04:38 AM
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IU'm in the same boat as Twist, I gotta figure out some financial stuff and the travel down.

If it all works out, you can count me in. Hopefully I should know in the next few weeks.

Does anyone know of any good cheep hotels in the area where the out of towners could stay at?

jaylazer - Feb 06, 2006 - 06:42 AM
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Here are the closest hotels.

Farifield Inn http://marriott.com/property/propertypage/PHLEX $94/night

Residence Inn http://marriott.com/property/propertypage/PHLRX $90/night

Holiday Inn Express http://www.ichotelsgroup.com/h/d/ex/1/en/hd/extex?irs=y $97/night

These are all very close to each other.

We might want to pick one as the "official" (non-official) hotel of the tournament.

cyberhare, what do you think?

I stayed at the Fairfield Inn last year. It's a little spartan but was comfortable enough.

KarlLagerbottom - Feb 06, 2006 - 01:16 PM
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twist wrote:

Re: Q'ermitt~ Had a blast, did pretty well! I am sure I wouldn't be the weak link of Team Canada with my Lizards! Smile

Sorry...this assumption might seem safe since you out numbered us 3-1, but the USA came out on top in head-to-head.

Sorry Charles... Smile

CyberHare - Feb 06, 2006 - 01:36 PM
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Yeah picking a hotel we al agree on is probably a good idea. It'll help out with transportation. Sorry I havn't posted up the website for this yet. I'm still working on it.

twist - Feb 07, 2006 - 11:01 PM
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Think you quoted the wrong part...

KarlLagerbottom wrote:

Sorry...this assumption might seem safe since you out numbered us 3-1, but the USA came out on top in head-to-head.

Since we outnumbered you, that just means that the Canuck talent was watered down, and you could pick off the rookies! In an ideal world, there would be a Team Quebec and a Team Ontario! LOL! Plus, all your wins versus Clan Skaven won't count, he's American now! Laughing

Old_Man_Monkey - Feb 08, 2006 - 06:09 AM
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who says he's an American? Just because he WANTS to be doesn't mean we'll let him.... Wink

Paul - Feb 08, 2006 - 11:24 AM
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well we don't want him, so you guys gotta take him Smile

bampf - Feb 08, 2006 - 10:14 PM
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Mafia should be in! Harrisburg represents!

CyberHare - Feb 09, 2006 - 04:21 AM
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Ok that's the first 6 teams to sound off. Those teams have priority but everyone still needs to confirm their presence and the names of the 5 people on their team. The first 6 teams to confirm attendance and give the 5 names of the team members will get the spots. So if anyone still wants to form a team you've still got a shot.

Spazzfist - Feb 09, 2006 - 07:15 AM
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CyberHare wrote:

Ok that's the first 6 teams to sound off.

Who are they?

jaylazer - Feb 09, 2006 - 07:39 AM
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What happens if we give you 5 names now but one of them has to drop out?

Should we also give alternate names now?

CyberHare - Feb 09, 2006 - 09:04 AM
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So far I've seen

DC
Philly
Canada
Beantown
NY
Mafia

But like I said if someone else confirms first that they'll be there and have their team members then a spot can be stolen.

Yeah it'll be fine to register more than 5 names now. Just indicate to me who the primary 5 are and who the alternates are.

jaylazer - Feb 09, 2006 - 09:06 AM
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Next question. Can we make changes?

We are just starting an outreach to other stores in the area. It's very possible we'll pick up some more experienced players.

Spazzfist - Feb 09, 2006 - 10:01 AM
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What about TUNA? We have no geographical affiliation!

CyberHare - Feb 09, 2006 - 10:06 AM
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I though TUNA was team Canada Wink

It shouldn't be a problem to make changes until the beginning of April. By then though people should have a pretty solid idea of who will be on which team.

bampf - Feb 09, 2006 - 02:15 PM
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Team Mafia will probably be:

Myself Jeremy Smith bampf
Kent Nelson zinak
Josh Oplinger Ranthorn
Jason Karr ?
Mike Biancone SteelThunder

May change later.

It s funny... one wayward comment by Skummy and the Harrisburg Mafia appellation has really stuck.

Hoshi_Komi - Feb 09, 2006 - 04:37 PM
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Team DC:
Ken Washington: Gken1
Chris Gragg: Skummy
Steve Cereghino: VTdoogie
Paul Goodwin: Aristidiemos
and Either
John Duton, John Beauchamp or Marcus Casieri

SteelThunder - Feb 09, 2006 - 05:45 PM
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bampf has it right, I plan on joining the Harrisburg Mafia on this one. I didn't even notice this posting before, just assumed it was going to be far away...heck it's only 30min from my hometown!

Paul - Feb 09, 2006 - 10:16 PM
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K, it looks like there might be a Team TBBF going.

So far we have
Myself (Paul)
Twist
Kolija_TBBF
Anthony_TBBF

we need to find 1 more and get everything confirmed.

KarlLagerbottom - Feb 09, 2006 - 10:31 PM
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Paul wrote:

K, it looks like there might be a Team TBBF going.

So far we have
Myself (Paul)
Twist
Kolija_TBBF
Anthony_TBBF

we need to find 1 more and get everything confirmed.

Looks like I may be a man without a team since Jay is recruiting some new talent. Smile

I like Hockey...can I be part of Team BEN? I mean Team Canada?

Paul - Feb 09, 2006 - 11:10 PM
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Quote:

Looks like I may be a man without a team since Jay is recruiting some new talent. icon_smile.gif

I like Hockey...can I be part of Team BEN? I mean Team Canada?

Well see if ew can't drag up another player. Also, you'll note that Bens not on the list for the TBBF, from what I know, hes not coming, I havn't heard anything from him regarding this tournament at all.

KarlLagerbottom - Feb 10, 2006 - 12:10 AM
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Paul wrote:

The Ben part was a joke...just trying to reference back to the previous posts. Smile

jaylazer - Feb 10, 2006 - 06:19 AM
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OK. So team Philly right now looks like.

Rob: Karllagerbottom
Joe: Rune_master
Jon: ??
Dave: ??
Me: jaylazer

Spazzfist - Feb 10, 2006 - 07:09 AM
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Hey KL, you have a spot on team TUNA if it actually happens!

AnthonyTBBF - Feb 10, 2006 - 07:37 AM
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KarlLagerbottom wrote:

I like Hockey...can I be part of Team BEN? I mean Team Canada?

Only if you hate the Senators. Wink

AnthonyTBBF - Feb 10, 2006 - 07:38 AM
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So did you guys settle on an official hotel yet?

jaylazer - Feb 10, 2006 - 07:45 AM
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I've only seen the inside of the Fairfield inn.

It was pretty simple, but should be adequate for our needs. There was a lobby big enough to have a few games going on at night.

I can try to check out the other hotels this weekend if people like. It might be a little tough. We are supposed to get 6-12 inches of snow tomorrow starting around 2-3 PM. I can do some running in the morning though.

I'll check out the hotels I listed and let you know which seems better suited to us. I'll also try to check on some group rates.

AnthonyTBBF - Feb 10, 2006 - 07:50 AM
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Thanks!

BTW if you have do drive around in a foot of snow, best advice is to just aim you car to where you want to go and let nature take its course. Very Happy

jaylazer - Feb 10, 2006 - 07:58 AM
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I've been there before. I've got 4 wheel drive too so that helps.

Just have to take is slow and easy.

But I shouldn't be out in the snow too much.

KarlLagerbottom - Feb 10, 2006 - 08:20 AM
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jaylazer wrote:

I've only seen the inside of the Fairfield inn.

Were you blindfolded on the way in? Sounds scary... Sad

-Rob

jaylazer - Feb 10, 2006 - 08:44 AM
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KarlLagerbottom wrote:

Were you blindfolded on the way in? Sounds scary... Sad

I said it was "simple". They only have an inside. They saved a lot of money that way.

Hoshi_Komi - Feb 10, 2006 - 10:10 AM
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Paul wrote:

K, it looks like there might be a Team TBBF going.

So far we have
Myself (Paul)
Twist
Kolija_TBBF
Anthony_TBBF

we need to find 1 more and get everything confirmed.

I can make sure Clan_skaven makes it for u guys Smile

AnthonyTBBF - Feb 10, 2006 - 10:36 AM
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He's yours now, stop trying to give him back.

CyberHare - Feb 10, 2006 - 10:38 AM
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gken1 wrote:

I can make sure Clan_skaven makes it for u guys Smile

Yer all heart Ken Laughing

Hoshi_Komi - Feb 10, 2006 - 11:47 AM
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hey, wouldn't want u guys to forfiet or anything....

SteelThunder - Feb 11, 2006 - 09:21 PM
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Yeah, he wants you guys to lose to us! LOL!

jaylazer - Feb 12, 2006 - 06:51 AM
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OK. So it turns out it was a really good thing I went and checked out the hotels again.

I hadn't actually seen the inside of the Fairfield in before either. It was the Holiday Inn Express.

So after some checking I think we should go with the Holiday Inn Express. It is relatively easy to get to and from the Venue. There is a lobby with enough room to host a few games in the evening and there is a Sports bar / restaurant right across the street.

I'll call today or tomorrow about group rates. We might not be big enough for it but I'll see what I can do.

AnthonyTBBF - Feb 12, 2006 - 04:19 PM
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Sounds good to me.

bampf - Feb 12, 2006 - 10:19 PM
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We ve had a very good response to this event from the AGBBL... the Mafia is constantly expanding.

If any teams are short we may be able to provide some plants... err... proxies.

SteelThunder - Feb 12, 2006 - 10:35 PM
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Jay, I can sometimes get a discount at Holiday Inns....I can see what kind of rate I can get for you if you would like.

jaylazer - Feb 13, 2006 - 06:43 AM
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SteelThunder,

Any help you can give would be appreciated.

I'll be talking to the group discount person today, although they might need at least 10 rooms for a discount. That might be hard for us to get.

Hoshi_Komi - Feb 13, 2006 - 10:45 AM
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ok we got 4 teams confirmed now.....

lets see those last two? Boston? Montreal? NY? Other?

BB_Babe - Feb 13, 2006 - 12:30 PM
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Boston has 4 players each with 70-95% liklihood of being able to attend that weekend:
Dan Anderson - Uthrac
Shane Yeager - Shane
Erick Guerra -
myself

If we don't round up another Beantowner, we could offer a seat to a stray dog. First dibs to anyone who's attended ArisiaBowl or the Beantown Brouhaha Cool

KarlLagerbottom - Feb 13, 2006 - 12:58 PM
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What's Rob doing that weekend...brushing up on his knowledge of Hoth trivia?

bampf - Feb 13, 2006 - 02:32 PM
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Right now we have 8 very interested bodies from the AGBBL. We may eb able to muster up some more. We could fill holes or perhaps bring an A and a B side if we have a team that backs out.

You know Harrisburg is the mecca of East Coast BloodBowl.

KarlLagerbottom - Feb 13, 2006 - 03:12 PM
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Hey Brian...Is more than 6 teams possible?

CyberHare - Feb 13, 2006 - 03:19 PM
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We're only limited by space available. Correct me if I'm wrong Jay but I believe you said we had space for 30 people? If we want to go bigger we'll need a different venue.

I think for the moment though it's good that we're getting a lot of interest but experience tells me that doesn't always translate into butts in the seats. Making the event bigger should be kept open as an option and it would be fantastic to have a bigger event. But until we have a need for the space that's very much confirmed we should probably proceed as planned. We could always share chairs at the current location Laughing

CyberHare - Feb 13, 2006 - 03:21 PM
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In case anyone missed it this thread is directly related to this one...

http://www.bloodbowl.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=2889

KarlLagerbottom - Feb 13, 2006 - 04:40 PM
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Jay will need to confirm this absolutely, but I think that this tourney is being held at Fat Cat Comics. I believe that the space can accomodtae more than 30, but it really depends more on how much space has been allocated by Mr Fat Cat. Again...Jay is the one who has been working with the guy, so he will be able to give you a more definative answer.

-Rob

P.S. I also have a couple guys from nearby that might be interested if there were room for 8 teams. Is there a way we can plan for the 6 that look like a lock, and leave room for growth if enough people show?

twist - Feb 13, 2006 - 10:41 PM
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I have a question for Brian! Aren't you playing? If so, are you bringing Montrealers with you to form a team, or are we making a Team Canada instead of a Team Toronto?

CyberHare - Feb 14, 2006 - 03:42 AM
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I'll play if a team has an open spot. If not I'll just be running the event.

Now that the cats out of the bag about the World Cup I can tell you all that this is the only practice we'll get here in North America for a team event before the World Cup. It's not just practice for the coaches, it's practice for me as well. I'm going to be running this event through the World Cup website to work out the bugs. I'm going to be paying close attention to all the details to see what the problems are and what works. So in the end if I don't play I won't be heart broken. I am looking for people who want to split a ride and a room though. How are you TO guy's getting down there?

jaylazer - Feb 14, 2006 - 06:31 AM
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While Fat Cat Comics has room for more people, I've only asked them from Room for 30.

I'll give them a call today to talk about more space. They said they were expanding their gaming area from last year so they may actually be able to give us the space.

I'll let you know.

BB_Babe - Feb 14, 2006 - 09:09 AM
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Whoops, Erick just backed out of the Beanteam in favour of a bachelor party -- that brings us down to 3. Rob isn't planning on this one, I think his roadtrip plans this year are the TKC and GenCon.

Paul - Feb 14, 2006 - 09:19 AM
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CyberHare wrote:

I am looking for people who want to split a ride and a room though. How are you TO guy's getting down there?

We're looking at renting a van and splitting the costs. We've gotta work out the details but thats the general plan for now.

We're also trying to find another TBBF guy to make it a full Team TBBF.

SteelThunder - Feb 14, 2006 - 11:29 AM
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Paul wrote:

CyberHare wrote:

I am looking for people who want to split a ride and a room though. How are you TO guy's getting down there?

We're looking at renting a van and splitting the costs. We've gotta work out the details but thats the general plan for now.

We're also trying to find another TBBF guy to make it a full Team TBBF.

Sorry, no go right away on the Holiday Inn, not with my corporate card. Perhaps with AAA I can find something there?

jware30 - Feb 14, 2006 - 12:04 PM
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I've had no luck putting a team together. Still trying, but if anyone has a team you are welcome to step forward. I should know definitely in the next two weeks.

SteelThunder - Feb 14, 2006 - 10:48 PM
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Please never mind my previous post with the quote of a previous message. My 3 year old was checking boxes on the computer as I was typing and I didn't see it.

Also, boy I hope my Blue NAF dice arrive sometime, it would be nice to have them for this tourney.

CyberHare - Feb 22, 2006 - 05:48 PM
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Ok ladies and gents here's the rules for the North America Team event. These are also pretty much the rules for the World Cup in 2007.

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Rules for the 2006 New World Cup

The following are the rules for the 2006 New World Cup. These rules may be amended without notice so please check back often to make sure you have the latest information.

Unless otherwise stated below we will be using the Blood Bowl Living Rule Book Version 4.0 for this tournament. You can download the Living Rule book at www.specialist-games.com or you can contact the tournament organizers.

FORMAT

The New World Cup is a team event. Individual wins, losses and ties will affect the overall team score as opposed to each individual coaches standings.

Teams may be formed by any coaches agreeing to play together as a team. Each team must be made up of 5 coaches. A team may also have 2 alternates.

Teams may not duplication roster races. Each team must have 5 different BB races, no more, no less. If a team has alternates these rosters may not duplicate any race that is already represented in the team..

Before the matchups are announced for each round of play the team captain must decide if any alternate players will play in place of a team member. Coaches may not swap rosters. No changes to the team lineup will be allowed once matchups have been announced.

The tournament will run for 6 rounds.The first round teams will be paired off by combined NAF ranking of the teams coaches. Each coaches best NAF ranking will be used to calculate total NAF score, even if that ranking is not of the race they are playing in the event. The following rounds teams will be paired off swiss style based on game play results. There will not be a champioinship round. Final results will be determined by points from all previous rounds of play.

ROSTER INFORMATION

All rosters must be a 100tr starting roster. Coaches have the standard 1,000,000 crowns with which to build their teams.

*NOTE*- A standard skill is any skill that a player may take on a skill roll without rolling a double.

OFFICIAL TOURNAMENT TEAMS

* Amazons
* Chaos
* Chaos Dwarf
* Dark Elf
* Dwarf
* Goblin
* Halfling
* High Elf
* Human
* Khemri
* Lizardman
* Necromatic
* Norse
* Nurgle
* Ogre
* Orc
* Pro Elf
* Skaven
* Undead
* Wood Elf
* Vampire

* Rules for these teams can be found in the Living Rule Book.

SKILL ADVANCEMENT

After each round coaches may take one standard skill (normal roll) for a player on their roster. No player may get more than one extra skill. These new skills may not be given to any player who has already received a skill. This will be the only way to advance players during the tournament. We will not officially track SPP's for the tournament. After game 3 coaches may take a non standard skill (doubles roll) or a standard skill at the coaches choice.

* Please note that Mummies as well all Big Guy's do not have access to the General category of Skills & Traits.

After each round, teams will be reset to their starting roster. In other words, there will be no long term injury effects. Rolling for cash, Fan Factor etc. is not necessary. The only thing that will change is the additional skill you choose after each game.

Skills - Dirty Player

The Dirty Player skill will give a +1 to either the armour roll or the injury roll.

MUTATIONS

Chaos and Nurgle teams may take mutations as standard skill picks on Chaos Warriors, Nurgle Rotters, and Beastmen. There is a limit of one Claw(s) mutation per team.

NO ROLLS TO UNSTUN

No roll is required to unstun for any Big Guy though they do need to roll to stand up.

STAR PLAYERS & WIZARDS

Star Players and Wizards may not be hired for The New World Cup.

Undead and Necromatic teams have of course a Necromancer as their Head Coach. Unfortunately their ability to raise the dead will not work on players killed during this tournament.

HALFLING MASTER CHEF

Those darn halflings simply won't go anywhere without a chief, usually passing them off as their head coach to gain tournament entry, and it seems that The New World Cup is no exception. The Halfling Master Chef is allowed to participate in the tournament. This will allow one d6 roll per half with which a result of 2+ results in the gain of a Team re-roll while causing the opposing team to lose a team re-roll. Additional rolls may be purchased at team creation but since everything costs more at a tournament, including the food, extra rolls will cost 80,000 gps each.

SECRET WEAPONS

Goblin coaches, and only goblin coaches, may purchase one secret weapon (ball & chain, chainsaw, bomb, or pogo stick) for 70k (in addition to the cost of goblin to wield it).

ILLEGAL PROCEDURE

Illegal procedure calls will not cause turnovers during the tournament. Nor will they cause the loss or gain of rerolls. If you notice that your opponent has done something to cause an illegal procedure then politely note to him his error.

Tournament Dice

One of the biggest factors that effects a game of Blood Bowl is the outcome of dice rolls. That being the case we want to ensure that the playing field is fair for everyone at the tournament. Coaches will be provided with 2d6 at the beginning of each round. These dice will be the only d6's allowed for game play. A coach may request to use his opponents set if he feels that the set he has is somehow "defective". Each coach must return these dice at the end of each round to the tournament official when they turn in their game report. In this manner each coach will get a fresh set of die for each round of play during the tournament.

Coaches will be expected to provide their own block dice and d8's. Coaches must be willing to share dice if their opponent asks to do so.

Ties

At the end of two halves of play (a standard game) if the score is tied a game is declared a tie. Coaches will not play a half of overtime to try and break the tie.

Scoring

After each game coaches will record their game results on the results form. Each round will be scored as follows. Each individual win, loss or draw will affect the overall teams score in the following manner..

Individual Win = 1 point to your nation
Individual Draw = 0.5 point to your nation
Individual Loss = 0 points

TEAM APPEARANCE

All figure used during the event must be painted and representative. Coaches who do not arrive at the event with a painted and representative roster will not be permitted to play until their figures are both painted and representative. Any missed matches due to painting will count as an individual win for the opposing team.

IMPORTANT: It will be up to the tournament officials to determine if a roster is represenative and painted. The decission of tournament officials are final and will not be discussed or debated. In order to pass inspection all models on a roster must fulfill the criteria. If even one model fails the roster will not be cleared for play. If in doubt, send images of the teams beforehand to the tourney officials and BRING A RESERVE TEAM YOU KNOW IS ELIGIBLE.

CyberHare - Feb 24, 2006 - 03:49 AM
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So? No comments on the rules? No updates? Where did everyone go Shocked

SteelThunder - Feb 24, 2006 - 04:50 AM
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we're still here. Seems simple enough.

Paul - Feb 24, 2006 - 10:00 AM
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Why are there no IPs? The new rules (loose a reroll or your opponent gains one) aren't that harsh. Most of the people there are good enough to know to move their counter and its not like they're loosing their turn anymore.

Quote:

These rules may be amended without notice so please check back often to make sure you have the latest information.

If you post rule ammendments here, then isn't that giving notice? If you don't give notice of a rule ammendment (as you claim the power to be able to) then posting it here would defeat that purpose. Smile

I'll also officially confirm Team TBBF (who may become Team Canada if no one else from here comes down) consisting of?

Myself (Paul Connors)
Cam Weaver
Anthony Watts
Koila Eppert
Ben Tusim

CyberHare - Feb 24, 2006 - 10:14 AM
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Paul wrote:

It's still harsh enough for a tournament. Giving your oponent that extra reroll simply because you forgot to move a counter as a little excessive as far as I'm concerned. That rule has also turned a rule that before simply screwed your opponent into something that is now possibly for personal gain. It doesn't add anything to the friendly spirit of the event I like to try to create. I don't want people sitting there waiting to jump on their opponent because they forgot to move a silly piece of cardboard so they can get an extra reroll.

Hoshi_Komi - Feb 24, 2006 - 11:52 AM
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i'm sure if both players agree you can use the rule Wink

jware30 - Feb 24, 2006 - 12:15 PM
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Quote:

It will be up to the tournament officials to determine if a roster is represenative and painted.

What will you be looking at for representative players? Assuming I'm not using the standard figures for say Skaven or Orcs. Is color scheme sufficient or different base colors, to differentiate Gutter Runners from Line Rats or Black Orcs from Blitzers?

Is NAF membership a requirement for the tournament? If so, will you have the ability to register people on site?

Thanks

CyberHare - Feb 24, 2006 - 03:32 PM
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jware30 wrote:

Quote:

It will be up to the tournament officials to determine if a roster is represenative and painted.

Representative meanes that if you're coaching a team of Dwarves you're not using a lineup of Amazon figs to represent them. If you have an Ogre on your roster you shouldn't be using Zug to represent it. A color scheme is fine to tell line rats from gutters as long as you are not using a roster of halfling figs to represent your rats. Like wise you would need a rat ogre fig to have a rat ogre on your team. It does not mean you have to be using official GW figs by any stretch. It just means that a fig should be able to be easily and quickly identified by your opponent as a representation of it's position.

jware30 wrote:

Is NAF membership a requirement for the tournament? If so, will you have the ability to register people on site?

Yes and yes.

KarlLagerbottom - Feb 26, 2006 - 12:11 AM
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Brian-
Quick question...how do you plan on resolving ties in the standings? What is the oreder of the tie breakers? (Assuming that there are multiple tiebreakers.)

-Rob

CyberHare - Feb 26, 2006 - 07:59 AM
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Members of the tied teams will have to mud wrestle for the title. Bring your NAF thong Laughing

That's a good question though. I hadn't really thought about it. I'll have to think about it and get back to you on that.

Zinak - Feb 26, 2006 - 05:14 PM
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So as it stands what teams do we have coming to this event?

Zinak

twist - Mar 08, 2006 - 10:57 AM
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Theres a Philly Team, DC, Canada (from Toronto)...

Is Boston still on? What happened to all those Ohio guys?

There should be a Florida team too, if you ask me... Razz

BB_Babe - Mar 08, 2006 - 11:27 AM
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As previously reported, Boston is down to 3 likely players. We can offer seats to make a regional NE team. And we are a port city, so we can connect pretty far and wide Smile

Any word yet on lodging?

Cheers,
Maureen

Hoshi_Komi - Mar 08, 2006 - 11:39 AM
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there's a harrisburg team too.

so I think:
Philly, DC, Canada, Harrisburg are in.

I think Boston should combine with NY and believe we can have a "Ronin" team with extra people

jaylazer - Mar 08, 2006 - 11:43 AM
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I just realized I said which hotel but didn't give info about the hotel.

The best hotel is the Holiday Inn Express.

The web site is http://www.hieexton.com/.

It's about $97 a night for 1 room.

jaylazer - Mar 08, 2006 - 11:43 AM
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We might be able to get extra local players as well.

Taxal - Mar 08, 2006 - 02:45 PM
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Maybe i missed it, but when is all this happening. If I can convince some friends to make the trip there will be a Quebec team coming. It all depends when it all goes down.

taxal

jaylazer - Mar 08, 2006 - 02:47 PM
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It's April 29-30 in Downingtown, PA (about 35 minutes outside of Philadelphia.)

CyberHare - Mar 08, 2006 - 04:56 PM
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If you want to head down Dan we can hook up and arrange to travel together.

Spazzfist - Mar 09, 2006 - 05:29 AM
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Actually, looking more closely at the rules, it hardly seems right to charge a flat rate of 70K for [i]any[i] goblin secret weapon. Some are obviosuly more effective than others. I mean, who is going to spend 110K for a goblin ball and chain who has the potential to move and die on the first turn? Even 110K is too much for a chainsaw.

What is the rationale behind the huge cost? I know that you are not realistically expecting goblin teams out, but is this your way of ensuring that they do not want to attend?

CyberHare - Mar 09, 2006 - 09:50 AM
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Not a bad point Craig. The secret weapon rules could indeed use a little tweaking. The table that Ben used for the Canadian open wasn't bad. Though I still think that only Goblin teams should be allowed Secret weapons. The original rationale behind the high costs was to basically make them a flavor addin to a goblin team. I know you didn't do amazingly with them but I'm still not convinced that a team full of secret weapons couldn't be devistating. I've done it before myself just to prove a point that it could be done. A team full of SW's played right can be a scary sight to behold. I'll tweak Bens table a bit though and update to those SW rules.

KarlLagerbottom - Mar 09, 2006 - 10:41 AM
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CyberHare wrote:

A team full of SW's played right can be a scary sight to behold.

BAH...this is Tom Foolishness...do you know how "right" the dice would have to be for this team to win a tourney?

Furthermore...where is the "Team full of secret weapons" movie playing? How would that happen in a tourney setting?

jware30 - Mar 09, 2006 - 03:09 PM
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gken1 wrote:

I think Boston should combine with NY and believe we can have a "Ronin" team with extra people

NY has two players, with fierce negotiation for a third. So, maybe combining with Boston is an idea. We can be the New England Team. Very Happy

Old_Man_Monkey - Mar 09, 2006 - 05:07 PM
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I'm considering bringing up a team from Lustria, or being available to join another team... will update after the TKC3 is done....

Paul - Mar 09, 2006 - 06:11 PM
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jware30 wrote:

gken1 wrote:

I think Boston should combine with NY and believe we can have a "Ronin" team with extra people

NY has two players, with fierce negotiation for a third. So, maybe combining with Boston is an idea. We can be the New England Team. Very Happy

Is New York and Boston working together even allowed in your country though? Smile

KarlLagerbottom - Mar 10, 2006 - 05:35 AM
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Paul wrote:

Is New York and Boston working together even allowed in your country though? Smile

Could be...let's ask Johnny Damon. Smile

jware30 - Mar 10, 2006 - 07:34 AM
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Yeah, I was going to post something witty about Sox and Yankees fans working together. But not being a Yankees (or Baseball) fan, I had nothing to draw on.

Taxal - Mar 10, 2006 - 10:23 AM
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sorry brian. just started a new job and tried to get the time off, but no can do.
damn!!!!!! Crying or Very sad

Clan_Skaven - Mar 10, 2006 - 10:31 AM
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Myself & Talons are looking to possibly add a team, but we are not picky about borders in fact if we need to we will recruit coaches from the US we will do it & we will form a CAN/AM faction!

Rod.

Spazzfist - Mar 10, 2006 - 10:41 AM
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Clan-Skaven wrote:

Myself & Talons are looking to possibly add a team, but we are not picky about borders in fact if we need to we will recruit coaches from the US we will do it & we will form a CAN/AM faction!

Team TUNA!

BB_Babe - Mar 10, 2006 - 12:11 PM
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jware30 wrote:

gken1 wrote:

I think Boston should combine with NY and believe we can have a "Ronin" team with extra people

NY has two players, with fierce negotiation for a third. So, maybe combining with Boston is an idea. We can be the New England Team. Very Happy

That could work pretty well. I might have to find a NYNH&H T-shirt to wear instead of my B&M one. Not as cool a RR, but the Orange & Black is a nice colour scheme Cool

(Sorry, model RR geek too).

Clan_Skaven - Mar 10, 2006 - 01:01 PM
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Spazzfist wrote:

Clan-Skaven wrote:

Myself & Talons are looking to possibly add a team, but we are not picky about borders in fact if we need to we will recruit coaches from the US we will do it & we will form a CAN/AM faction!

Team TUNA!

TUNA?

Totally. Useless. Newbes. Association. ???

CAN/AM or CANAM baby!

Or if we add you we could be the "Mongrol Horde" Razz

Rod

Spazzfist - Mar 10, 2006 - 01:49 PM
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Clan-Skaven wrote:

TUNA?

I guerss you missed that discussion.

TUNA stands for The Underdogs of North America. People are building these fiercely competitive teams, and so the middle rankers like us are getting brushed to one side. I say that TUNA forms a mighty alliance and lets them feel our mighty wrath! All hail Captain Garth!! Very Happy

Clan_Skaven - Mar 10, 2006 - 01:55 PM
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Spazzfist wrote:

Clan-Skaven wrote:

TUNA?

WHOOOOOOHAHA Laughing

If Talons & I can't get a team ourselves I guess we are in.

CyberHare - Mar 26, 2006 - 07:47 AM
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Ok all you slackers... oh wait that's me Embarassed

Well now that we're about a month away from this I guess it's time to get everything into gear. Here's what we're going to do. Each team pick a captain. Have that Captain PM me with their mailing address and I'll mail out to that person the TRB for the New World Cup. Here'a a picture of the cover.

On a more personal note I'm still looking for a place to stay in the area. Anyone need a roomate?

jaylazer - Mar 27, 2006 - 06:12 AM
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Brian,

I've still got room at my house. You are welcome to stay with me.

I'm about 30 minutes from the Venue and hotel.

jware30 - Mar 29, 2006 - 07:36 AM
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The NY Team is at 2, possibly 3, players. Anyone want to combine or join?

BB_Babe - Mar 29, 2006 - 01:48 PM
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It looks like Boston is at 4, with a 5th seat open.

jaylazer - Mar 29, 2006 - 01:57 PM
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I'm going to work on getting as many locals as I can.

We can probably get a few fillins. I have to see who is interested.

I'll keep you informed.

lawquoter - Mar 29, 2006 - 03:25 PM
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sure wish I could make this one. really do.

CyberHare - Apr 10, 2006 - 12:58 PM
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Ok it's not looking good for mailing out the TRB's so I'm posting it on the web so anyone who wants it can get it ahead of time. You can find it at

http://www.house-rulez.com/nwc/nwctrb.pdf

Let me know if anyone spots any errors or problems and I'll get them fixed.

Hoshi_Komi - Apr 10, 2006 - 01:41 PM
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So what are the official teams in?
From what I can figure out from reading:
Philly: full team
Canada: Full team
DC: Full team
Harrisburg: Full team
NY: 3 players :NEED 2
Boston: 4 Players: NEED 1

so we need 3 fill in players?

let's get this confirmed so we can get replacements assigned so we have a great turnout.

BB_Babe - Apr 10, 2006 - 02:03 PM
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Looks like no OT, even in the finals? For a team event, that's fine by me.

Cheers,
Mo

CyberHare - Apr 10, 2006 - 03:22 PM
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No there's no OT as a tie has a value in the scoring system.

NY is down to 2 players so perhaps the NY team can combine with the Boston team and have one spare?

Paul - Apr 10, 2006 - 04:51 PM
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Canada is down 2 players. is Clan Skaven still able to come? We had 2 guys drop out and we've got one extra guy saying maybe as of a few weeks ago.

CyberHare - Apr 10, 2006 - 04:55 PM
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If you are down 2 guys contact Jware30. He was saying it was just the two of them so that could fill the gap.

Also there's talons from Niagra. He might want in. Or maybe Garth?

twist - Apr 10, 2006 - 05:32 PM
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I am not sure if my funding can handle it if our trip isn't split 5 ways... Sad

Paul - Apr 10, 2006 - 05:54 PM
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CyberHare wrote:

If you are down 2 guys contact Jware30. He was saying it was just the two of them so that could fill the gap.

Also there's talons from Niagra. He might want in. Or maybe Garth?

Where is Jware located? If hes in the Toronto area we can accomodate Twists situation. I'll get in touch with Garth and Talons about this too.

Paul

Spazzfist - Apr 10, 2006 - 08:27 PM
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Paul, Twist, get back to me with the schedule and costs, etc. I am by no means definite (even mosying over to the not blood likely skide of the fence), but with the info I will see what I can swing. And if you really don't want me on the team, then you can just make the costs ridiculously high! Wink

Spazz

Paul - Apr 10, 2006 - 08:29 PM
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1 Million Dollars Very Happy

I'll be in touch Spazz

Spazzfist - Apr 10, 2006 - 08:30 PM
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Paul wrote:

1 Million Dollars Very Happy

You guys suck! Crying or Very sad

Hoshi_Komi - Apr 10, 2006 - 08:57 PM
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We need a ronin team it looks like. Harrisburg might supply two teams I guess....

bampf - Apr 10, 2006 - 09:53 PM
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We have at least 8... we may be able to field two full teams, if not provide bodies for lacking teams (I promise they won t tank games against Non-Harrisburg opponents).

BB_Babe - Apr 10, 2006 - 11:08 PM
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CyberHare wrote:

NY is down to 2 players so perhaps the NY team can combine with the Boston team and have one spare?

It looks like Boston is down to 3, so the team-up should work.

Shane was still wrestling with the time to get down there. The combination of the late end to the day Sunday, and the hard rule on painting settled it for him. Philosophically, he's doesn't want to support a tourney that's not open to newbies or people who just like to play but aren't painters. But it sounds like the time issues would still be a killer for him no matter what.

Cheers,
Mo

CyberHare - Apr 11, 2006 - 04:25 AM
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BB_Babe wrote:

Shane was still wrestling with the time to get down there. The combination of the late end to the day Sunday, and the hard rule on painting settled it for him. Philosophically, he's doesn't want to support a tourney that's not open to newbies or people who just like to play but aren't painters. But it sounds like the time issues would still be a killer for him no matter what.

I hear ya about that late finishing time on Sunday. I'm not too thrilled about that myself. I'll be looking at the actual situation on Saturday and seeing what I can do about that. I've got a 9 hour drive home myself so getting done earlier is of fair interest to me as well.

I wouldn't say the event isn't open to newbies but it is geared towards the more tournament savvy player. It's not something I'd normally do but it is after all the only event of it's type and it's supposed to be a practice run for the World Cup next March.

So everyone tell me, am I going to get hanged if I don't have any prizes for this tournament? I've been trying to figure it out but it'll be something like 15 prizes just for first, second and third place Shocked

What it thought of doing was offering everyone a 2004 or 2005 house rule fig of their choice and then handing out certificates to the winners. That way everyone gets a little prize. I had wanted to make a trophy but I haven't been able to find a toy statue of liberty torch. Thoughts?

Bampf if you've got 8 people or more that will be fantastic!

Rune_Master - Apr 11, 2006 - 08:32 AM
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CyberHare wrote:

I had wanted to make a trophy but I haven't been able to find a toy statue of liberty torch. Thoughts?

How about this one?

http://www.libertybellmuseum.com/MuseumShop/libertytorch.htm

Hoshi_Komi - Apr 11, 2006 - 09:07 AM
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That trophy would look great in DC!!

Spazzfist - Apr 11, 2006 - 09:37 AM
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gken1 wrote:

That trophy would look great in DC!!

Ths Canadians will be sure to send you a picture of it then! Wink

jaylazer - Apr 11, 2006 - 09:42 AM
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While you guys are here you can hit the Liberty museum and pick one up for yourselves.

That's the only way one will be leaving Philly with you guys.

CyberHare - Apr 11, 2006 - 10:05 AM
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That's pretty sweet. We have nothing even close to that here. Jay do they have items like that at a local museum? If so it would be great if you could pick one up and I'll pay you back when I get there. If there's nothing local I'll order that one at the link and ship it to you.

jaylazer - Apr 11, 2006 - 10:13 AM
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I'll see if I can find something.

Rob lives relatively close to it. Can you check out the museum shop at the Liberty Bell Center?

I'm still trying to figure out why the Liberty Bell Museum in in Connecticut when the Liberty Bell is in Phildelphia. Very confusing.

(Certainl makes my jibe a couple of posts earlier look a little silly Smile

)

Hoshi_Komi - Apr 11, 2006 - 10:54 AM
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you guys do realize that it's just the torch right? I don't think the person's hand comes with the torch.......

CyberHare - Apr 11, 2006 - 11:26 AM
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gken1 wrote:

you guys do realize that it's just the torch right? I don't think the person's hand comes with the torch.......

What? no hand. Aww man now I don't want it Wink

BB_Babe - Apr 11, 2006 - 11:50 AM
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It looks like we have pretty solid 3 from Boston, but one of our folk would really like to make sure we have a full team before driving all the way. Are the 2 New Yorkers pretty solid and want to join together? Can we officially declare this the New England team?

Cheers,
Maureen

Spazzfist - Apr 11, 2006 - 12:51 PM
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Is there a list of all the teams that are attending on who is on which team?

If this is posted somewhere, then please let me know!

Spazz

jware30 - Apr 11, 2006 - 01:25 PM
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BB_Babe wrote:

I would like to do that, otherwise I do not think we will go. I'll PM you to work out the details.

Jack

Hoshi_Komi - Apr 11, 2006 - 01:29 PM
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Spazzfist wrote:

Is there a list of all the teams that are attending on who is on which team?

If this is posted somewhere, then please let me know!

Spazz

you gotta hunt through this thread....

but :
DC Team,
Harrisburg Team,
Philly Team,
New England teams are now full.

Canada looks like it's down to 3....so needs two players.

There also is the Ronin team with possibly 3 harrisburg players atm. so we need 4? more Official players I believe.

jaylazer - Apr 11, 2006 - 01:33 PM
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I'm pretty sure we will have 6-7 that I know who are willing to play. I'm just waiting to hear back from them. I'm also checking with some other stores to see if there are any interested players that I don't know yet.

Spazzfist - Apr 11, 2006 - 01:37 PM
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gken1 wrote:

Canada looks like it's down to 3....so needs two players.

That would be Paul, Twist, and ?

Just trying to figure things out, but the more I think about it, the more I think I would like to come.

Spazz

Hoshi_Komi - Apr 11, 2006 - 01:42 PM
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ben

Paul - Apr 11, 2006 - 01:55 PM
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yep, we're lining up some replacements as we go. Just gotta evaluate their blood bowl skills and they're partying skills.

Baring that, I'll play 3 games at once.

Spazzfist - Apr 11, 2006 - 02:10 PM
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So Ben is going to be coming out then? I was scanning some of the earlier posts and found that ther was talk of Kolja and Anthony coming out, but the rumour was that Ben was not coming. So now there is a complete turnaround, eh?

You seem pretty focussed on the idea of Blood Bowl skills there Paul. If this is a hint that you do not want me on the team then that's fine, I will see about putting together team TUNA! And then we will smoke you all!

Spazz

BB_Babe - Apr 11, 2006 - 02:14 PM
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CyberHare wrote:

If we could squeeze in 4 rounds on Sat and 2 on Sun, that would make the Sunday drving much better. With no OT, that should be feasable.

BB_Babe - Apr 11, 2006 - 02:39 PM
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CyberHare wrote:

I wouldn't say the event isn't open to newbies but it is geared towards the more tournament savvy player. It's not something I'd normally do but it is after all the only event of it's type and it's supposed to be a practice run for the World Cup next March.

Hmmm. The idea for this tourney was announced before the world cup. I had thought the basic idea for this was to be a more light-hearted version of the Euro Cup. I have a couple of fully detailed teams, so its not a personal issue for me. But especially given the short notice between publishing the TRB (and the first mention of the hardcore painting rule) and the tourney -- this rule does make it difficult to sort our choices within each team and get 5 different fully detailed teams. That's a bad logistical crunch that came out of the blue. The NE team now only has 2.5 weeks to try to make sure everyone has a team they want to play and that's fully painted.

And philosophically, I'd rather see this as a lighter event open to anyone who would like to try to cobble a team together.

Anyone planning on going to the World Cup has plenty of notice to start getting their figures ready.

I'd request that this rule get dropped. Use the usual painting points as a tie-breaker if needed.

Cheers,
Maureen

Hoshi_Komi - Apr 11, 2006 - 03:02 PM
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painting shmainting Smile

CyberHare - Apr 11, 2006 - 03:28 PM
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I've no problem with putting aside the painting rule for now. Though to defend myself I did mention it back on page 8 of this thread when I posted the rules. So officially no painting rule for this year.

CyberHare - Apr 11, 2006 - 03:34 PM
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BB_Babe wrote:

CyberHare wrote:

If we could squeeze in 4 rounds on Sat and 2 on Sun, that would make the Sunday drving much better. With no OT, that should be feasable.

Thinking about it actually if we're only 6 teams we only need to play 5 rounds and each team will have played each other team. We might not need to do round 6 at all. Since we're going no OT for this event if we tighten up the schedule Saturday we might be able to play 4 rounds. That would leave a relaxed 5th round for Sunday morning, a good lunch together and then a pleasent drive home for all.

Hoshi_Komi - Apr 11, 2006 - 04:51 PM
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i think 3 games in one day is enough....I go batty after that. I think alot of others feel this way too from seeing them play at my tourney.

CyberHare - Apr 11, 2006 - 07:18 PM
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Hmm so after three games we get an edge on Ken. Mental note to me for next DB Laughing

Agreed that 4 games is a lot. We'll play the day by ear.

KarlLagerbottom - Apr 11, 2006 - 08:14 PM
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jaylazer wrote:

)

Yep, this is a couple of blocks from my apartment and so are a few other history-based tourist shops that have a few interesting tidbits...one of which will be making an appearance at Phrakus 2K6. Smile

Anyway...I can check to see if our local Liberty Bell History Shop has these items and I'll check back in...this will likely not be until next week though...I have training this week and don't get back in town until late.

-Rob

BB_Babe - Apr 11, 2006 - 09:06 PM
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CyberHare wrote:

Thanks, that will give us more flexibility in sorting out the teams.

I missed the details of the painting thingy back on p.8. The other Beantowners haven't been keeping up with this thread and much grumbling ensued when the TRB was posted.

My brain is pretty fuzzed after 4 rounds too. 3 games Sat and 2 Sunday would be nice.

Cheers,
Mo

twist - Apr 11, 2006 - 09:42 PM
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gken1 wrote:

i think 3 games in one day is enough....I go batty after that. I think alot of others feel this way too from seeing them play at my tourney.

I agree 100%. Game 4 is when I'd tag in a sub team member, if at all possible. Wink

KarlLagerbottom: Start doing some research for our pub crawl too, ok? Something like Montreal with less walking and more pubs? Very Happy

Sounds like Team Canada has hope once again! It might work out afterall for me...

The Great White Hope,

Twist. Razz

twist - Apr 11, 2006 - 09:48 PM
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Brian!

Can you tell me how you rank each team's coaches 1-5? Or tell me where to find it if I've missed it somehow?

Thanks man!

CyberHare - Apr 12, 2006 - 03:45 AM
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Yeah I seem to have left that little bit of info out of the TRB somehow. I'm going to be keeping track of both individual points using the standard system (50-30-20 + bonus) and team points. Teams will be matched up swiss using team points and individuals on each of those teams will also be swissed based on individual points.

It would also be very helpfull if everyone could bring along their highest NAF ranking score.

CyberHare - Apr 12, 2006 - 03:48 AM
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KarlLagerbottom wrote:

I can check to see if our local Liberty Bell History Shop has these items and I'll check back in...this will likely not be until next week though...I have training this week and don't get back in town until late.

Thanks Rob. If you let me know by mid next week if we have something or not I'll still have time to order the one over the net if needed.

Thanks,

twist - Apr 12, 2006 - 09:57 AM
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Brian: Highest meaning your best team race? My lizardmen are good, but the rest are crap, which isn't really reflective of me overall. LOL I am average... Razz

KarlLagerbottom - Apr 12, 2006 - 10:35 AM
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twist wrote:

Brian: Highest meaning your best team race? My lizardmen are good, but the rest are crap, which isn't really reflective of me overall. LOL I am average... Razz

Brian-

Sorry dude...but this REEKS or shenanigans. There has to be a way of evaluating a coaches overall ability better than highest ranked NAF rating. If not...I believe that some teams will purposely sandbag. If someone has one tourney in with Orks (For Example) and went undefeated, but has 6 tournies in with Dark Elfs where they were so-so...you will allow that team to have their best player play in a lower ranked position and rake the other teams middle of the road guys. (Lets not even go into the situation where the size of the tourney has made a difference. Rolling Eyes

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-Rob

twist - Apr 12, 2006 - 11:02 AM
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Rob:
I think he means regardless of what race you take to the tourney, they rank your HIGHEST RACE in NAF. No choice involved.

I originally figured it would be an average of every team used. But then again, thats a lotta math at the last minute for organizers...

Spazzfist - Apr 12, 2006 - 11:32 AM
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Team TUNA is being assembled and I still have a couple more spots. Being The Underdogs of North America, we know no geographical affiliations, and are not concerned about such trivial things as skill - we just want to have fun! If you would like to join Team TUNA, then drop me a PM!

Spazz

Paul - Apr 12, 2006 - 12:53 PM
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CyberHare wrote:

Hmm so after three games we get an edge on Ken. Mental note to me for next DB Laughing

Agreed that 4 games is a lot. We'll play the day by ear.

did you see him Sunday morning? It doesn't matter if you play 3 games saturday or not, you'll have a mental edge on him in round 4.

Hoshi_Komi - Apr 12, 2006 - 01:06 PM
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KarlLagerbottom wrote:

Sorry dude...but this REEKS or shenanigans. There has to be a way of evaluating a coaches overall ability better than highest ranked NAF rating. If not...I believe that some teams will purposely sandbag. If someone has one tourney in with Orks (For Example) and went undefeated, but has 6 tournies in with Dark Elfs where they were so-so...you will allow that team to have their best player play in a lower ranked position and rake the other teams middle of the road guys. (Lets not even go into the situation where the size of the tourney has made a difference. Rolling Eyes

)

-Rob

How can I sandbag to play rob O. in game 3??? he's washed up by then Smile

jaylazer - Apr 12, 2006 - 01:06 PM
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I am waiting on confirmation from the store, but we should be able to get started at around 9 AM on Sunday.

The manager I talked to said he didn't think it would be a problem. I'm just waiting on word from the owner.

CyberHare - Apr 12, 2006 - 02:40 PM
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jaylazer wrote:

Ahh that would be good.

Rob you totaly lost me as to what you were talking about. Though admittedly it has been a long day Smile

And it's only Wednesday Crying or Very sad

The NAF rankings are to be used for round one only and only to seed the teams not the players. Individual players will be paired up randomly for round one and then each following round using the same system we usually use at tournaments. Teams will also be paired up swiss style based on points earned for following rounds. Only differnece is that match ups will only be between players on the two teams and not between anyone at the event.

jaylazer - Apr 13, 2006 - 07:01 AM
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We are confirmed for 9 AM on Sunday.

The owner is really looking forward to having us. I think he's a big geek and loves having big events.

CyberHare - Apr 13, 2006 - 09:04 AM
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Excellent it's all coming together.

Hoshi_Komi - Apr 16, 2006 - 07:15 AM
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DC will have 6 players coming up, so we'll have an extra!!

Spazzfist - Apr 17, 2006 - 07:24 AM
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I would love to be able to make it but it would seem that the tax man has other ideas...... Crying or Very sad

Spazz is out.

CyberHare - Apr 17, 2006 - 06:31 PM
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Well tell the tax man to come along as well Wink

Hoshi_Komi - Apr 18, 2006 - 06:55 PM
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really looking forward to this!

CyberHare - Apr 19, 2006 - 04:23 AM
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Just to throw a teaser out there I'll be making an announcement at the event about Death Bowl. Those of you with a thing for the fling will be quite interested in this one.

I'll also have the World Cup trophy on hand.

Any news about the liberty torch? Should I just go ahead and order the one online?

Taxal - Apr 19, 2006 - 10:16 AM
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hey Brian,

just to let you know that this year i will be bringing halflings to Death Bowl.

the reason is i want to be the first one to play in the tourney with the mighty flings

taxal

Hoshi_Komi - Apr 19, 2006 - 05:41 PM
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not enough trash talking here........

where's the mafia? Canada's quiet...., philly's scared...., NY/Boston---organizing???

well DC is ready to rock!!!

twist - Apr 19, 2006 - 05:49 PM
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Canada are active behind the scenes, preparing. We do our talking on the pitch.*

*if we make it. Wink

KarlLagerbottom - Apr 19, 2006 - 06:34 PM
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gken1 wrote:

philly's scared....,

::YAWN::

Empty threats DC Boy...Philly has no reason to be scared.
Smile

Hoshi_Komi - Apr 19, 2006 - 06:36 PM
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twist wrote:

*if we make it. Wink

I'd rather not hear this talk..........what's the hold up?

KarlLagerbottom - Apr 19, 2006 - 06:36 PM
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Taxal wrote:

hey Brian,

just to let you know that this year i will be bringing halflings to Death Bowl.

the reason is i want to be the first one to play in the tourney with the mighty flings

taxal

Hmm...this can't be a good idea. Smile

I might be bringing My Zombie Team...
BRAAAAAAIIIIIINNSSSS!!!!!

twist - Apr 19, 2006 - 07:40 PM
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gken1 wrote:

I'd rather not hear this talk..........what's the hold up?

Heh heh, nothing! Nothing! Stop distracting me. Back to organizing! LOL

CyberHare - Apr 20, 2006 - 05:11 AM
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gken1 wrote:

Canada's quiet....

Of course we're quiet. There's no need to boast when you're obviously the best.

CyberHare - Apr 20, 2006 - 05:14 AM
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KarlLagerbottom wrote:

Hmm...this can't be a good idea. Smile

I might be bringing My Zombie Team...
BRAAAAAAIIIIIINNSSSS!!!!!

Is that a halfling zombie team? If so, SWEET!

jware30 - Apr 20, 2006 - 07:59 AM
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gken1 wrote:

NY/Boston---organizing???

Yup, we've joined forces, and are planning your doom and destruction. Twisted Evil

Hoshi_Komi - Apr 20, 2006 - 08:46 AM
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jware30 wrote:

Yup, we've joined forces, and are planning your doom and destruction. Twisted Evil

that's what we like to hear!!!

here's DC's team lineup:
Goblins, Halflings, Humans, High Elves and Dark Elves.......

Smile

KarlLagerbottom - Apr 20, 2006 - 03:55 PM
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gken1 wrote:

jware30 wrote:

Yup, we've joined forces, and are planning your doom and destruction. Twisted Evil

that's what we like to hear!!!

here's DC's team lineup:
Goblins, Halflings, Humans, High Elves and Dark Elves.......

Smile

Humans...they're broken...you should replace them with Ogres...NOW YOU"E TALKING!!!

-Robe

jaylazer - Apr 24, 2006 - 06:49 AM
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Hey Guys,

First off, any of you who are staying with me will have the joy of meeting our brand new dog (just got her yesterday). She's very tame and doesn't shed much. If you are extremely allergic to dogs we can work something out. My wife is allergic but hasn't had any problems yet.

Second, does anyone need a ride from the airport? If so let me know your flight info and I will start making arrangements.

Bryan, when are you planning on driving down? Will you be here Friday night or Saturday morning. I need to prepare my wife.

Lastly, we have 2 extra people confirmed from the local stock. Which team are they going to be on? Do we want to just let the 6th team figure things out day of?

BB_Babe - Apr 24, 2006 - 08:36 AM
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Looks like Team New England is set with 5, but any team might suffer last minute vacancies for health/work/family emregencies. Some flexible options on game day woud be a good contingency.

jaylazer - Apr 24, 2006 - 08:55 AM
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I'll be having all 7 people come. If for some reason we don't need all seven then we'll find a way to determine who plays. Or do the alternate thing.

Hoshi_Komi - Apr 24, 2006 - 12:07 PM
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DC has 5 for sure, maybe 6.

CyberHare - Apr 24, 2006 - 01:40 PM
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Jay I'll be there Friday night. I'll need your address so I can find the place Smile

twist - Apr 25, 2006 - 09:50 PM
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Team Canada has 3 dedicated souls, it seems I am in regardless, booked the time off. Razz

Our team is Paul, Peter_Meers, and myself.

We have 1 other TBBFer that might come, but he's a maybe. I will find out shortly if its a yea or nay.

Any other possible Canucks? Brian, is Taxal still thinking of coming down? What about you? Anyone else a free agent? Our team might change to Canada and Co. Very Happy

Clan_Skaven - Apr 25, 2006 - 10:02 PM
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twist wrote:

Team Canada has 3 dedicated souls, it seems I am in regardless, booked the time off. Razz

If Im off I can attend but no idea yet, besides I'm a pretty poor record , you guys prob want the best Canada has to offer......

Wait if is just you 3 you might need me after all ! LOL

Rod.

twist - Apr 25, 2006 - 10:11 PM
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Dude, we had Garth coming. Razz

You are just as valuable at the pub! Wheres the Guiness? Laughing

Where are you right now anyways???

Paul - Apr 25, 2006 - 10:14 PM
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Clan-Skaven wrote:

twist wrote:

Team Canada has 3 dedicated souls, it seems I am in regardless, booked the time off. Razz

If Im off I can attend but no idea yet, besides I'm a pretty poor record , you guys prob want the best Canada has to offer......

Wait if is just you 3 you might need me after all ! LOL

Rod.

Get your ass there CS. Team Canada is bringing enough skill with me and Twist. The rest of the guys are just going to be there for the party.

CyberHare - Apr 26, 2006 - 04:00 AM
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twist wrote:

Brian, is Taxal still thinking of coming down? What about you?

I'll be there but I'll only play as a last resort. I'll contact Taxal and see if he's interested but it's kind of short notice.

Clan_Skaven - Apr 26, 2006 - 05:33 AM
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wow thats this weekend, well im home in niagara falls.

I'm currently laid off work, but don't know if I start back to work Sunday in Ottawa, if I do not then I'm available. (is anyone driving?)

Rod.

I'm waiting to hear from employer.

twist - Apr 26, 2006 - 08:02 AM
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I spoke too soon last night, our 4th is George, aka Blank_Page, so we are still in need of a 5th.

Clan-Skaven: I thought you were in Washington still! We have a car going, but it just filled up! Sad

The whole reason for renewed interest from our guys is that we scrapped the van renting idea, it proved too costly for us.

Brian: I just went through the past posts and saw that Taxal was originally interested without a "sorry I can't make it" later on. So assumed he still might drive down with ya. If he can't thats ok, perhaps a local can be our 5th. Shouldn't be hard to convince them, since we're gonna win. Wink

jaylazer - Apr 26, 2006 - 08:13 AM
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Here are what the team situation looks like (in my head at least):
DC 5 + 1
Harrisburg 5 + 3
New England 5
Canada 4
Philly 5 + 2

Can people confirm these numbers for me?

So assuming those numbers hold up we would have just enough for the 6 teams with Brian acting as the organizer.

If we come up 1 short the Brian can play.

There is a slight chance that a few players from the Store where the tournament is taking place might show up day of.

I had one guy show interest but he hasn't responded to my inquiries.

I will be going to the store today after work. I want to make sure I remember how to get there and to make sure everything is still good.

Paul - Apr 26, 2006 - 09:20 AM
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Thats all well and good Jay, but you're forgetting the most important part. Where are we going drinking on Saturday night?

jaylazer - Apr 26, 2006 - 09:43 AM
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I'm doing my best to get the drinking down.

Unfortunately, I'm not much of a drinker so I'm not up on all the hip locations.

There is a sports bar/restaurant across from the hotel. That looked OK to me. That was one of the reasons I thought that hotel was a good one.

I'll ask at the store tonight if they know any place that's good to hang out.

Taxal - Apr 26, 2006 - 10:00 AM
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sorry about not posting sooner guys.

i will not be able to make it after all. some problems have come up that needs to be fixed. so good luck to you all and have a blast.

taxal

Hoshi_Komi - Apr 26, 2006 - 10:08 AM
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yeah. u better figure that out Jay!!

jaylazer - Apr 26, 2006 - 10:15 AM
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OK. I will do my best.

So give me the characteristics of a good place.

I'll hunt and hunt until I find one that fits that description.

Or until I get bored. Whichever comes first. Smile

CyberHare - Apr 26, 2006 - 10:16 AM
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Paul wrote:

Thats all well and good Jay, but you're forgetting the most important part. Where are we going drinking on Saturday night?

Trust Paul to keep our priorities straight Wink

Taxal what about Brie. She is the better player anyway Razz

Seriously though if she wanted to go I'm driving down and would be happy to have her along for the drive. Heck if cost is the issue I'm happy to even pay for all the gas at this point. It's going to be a long drive all alone Crying or Very sad

Clan_Skaven - Apr 26, 2006 - 10:17 AM
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twist wrote:

I spoke too soon last night, our 4th is George, aka Blank_Page, so we are still in need of a 5th.

Clan-Skaven: I thought you were in Washington still! We have a car going, but it just filled up! Sad

If i can go & i pay the diffenance wud ya still rent van?

Rod

CyberHare - Apr 26, 2006 - 10:18 AM
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Don't stress too much about it Jay. Good qualifies as some place that won't throw them out when they get drunk Wink

Paul - Apr 26, 2006 - 11:24 AM
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CyberHare wrote:

Don't stress too much about it Jay. Good qualifies as some place that won't throw them out when they get drunk Wink

yea its true. The bar across from the hotel sounds like a good option.

jaylazer - Apr 26, 2006 - 11:27 AM
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I'll double check it today. I can't remember what the "bar" part looked like. It's a bar/restaurant. It does have a "game" room that has a pool table and air hockey table as well as some arcade games.

I want to make sure I know how to get there before people start trying to follow me there.

The last tournament I went to the guy running it didn't know how to get to the venue. Smile

Clan_Skaven - Apr 26, 2006 - 06:13 PM
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wonder how much a round trip train or bus ride would cost me?

Rod

Spazzfist - Apr 26, 2006 - 06:48 PM
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Wonder if they are trying to give you a hint by ignoring you! Wink

Clan_Skaven - Apr 26, 2006 - 07:32 PM
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Spazzfist wrote:

Wonder if they are trying to give you a hint by ignoring you! Wink

With my win loss record thats a definate probable!

Rod

Paul - Apr 26, 2006 - 07:33 PM
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heh, I PMed him about the issue and explained the situation. The car we're taking is now full, we can't fit anyone in, let alone some seven-foot oaf like Rod there.

Unless he wants to hold onto the top of the Jetta we're taking.

CyberHare - Apr 26, 2006 - 07:46 PM
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Rod if you can get your butt to Montreal you're more than welcome to travel with me. Of course you'll have to get yer butt home afterwards too cause I love ya man, but not enough to drive 5 hours to Toronto to drop you off and then another 5 home. Laughing

CyberHare - Apr 26, 2006 - 07:48 PM
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Paul wrote:

Unless he wants to hold onto the top of the Jetta we're taking.

That would be worth paying to see. Heck I'd pay just to see you cross the border like that Laughing

twist - Apr 26, 2006 - 08:36 PM
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Spazzfist wrote:

Wonder if they are trying to give you a hint by ignoring you! Wink

If going to work and logging off equals ignoring, then sure, whatever you say! Laughing

Paul - Apr 27, 2006 - 08:59 AM
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What time are people expecting to show up on Friday? Team Canada will probably get to the hotel late friday night, hoping around 10:00-11:00ish

Clan_Skaven - Apr 27, 2006 - 09:11 AM
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Paul wrote:

What time are people expecting to show up on Friday? Team Canada will probably get to the hotel late friday night, hoping around 10:00-11:00ish

If I arrive at all it will be train or bus or hitch hike Shocked

(no no hitcing) besides who would pick up an oaf like me! Shocked

(I'm actually afraid to find out)

looks like I'll probably not be there, but if I do make the trek & show up wud any of the teams keep a "spacial" reserved spot for me just in case?

If not I'll form my own team "call it .....Team RATS" (Rod's Attendinding Tourneis Solo)

So if I'm there & your all gonna be square! then team RATS will have to win it all! HooooooooooYa!

Rod.

jaylazer - Apr 27, 2006 - 09:15 AM
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I went to the Fat Cat Comics last night and talked to Will, the owner.

Everything is in order and they are eager to have us.

I am really glad I went down because the store has changed locations since I was there last. For those that were there for the Phrakus, the store is about 2 miles East on Lancaster Ave. If you are heading West on Business 30 /Lancaster Ave, you'll see a McDonalds on the right and a closed Sunoco gas Station on the left just before the store. It is in the middle of a line of shops. There is parking across the street. The signs say 2 hour parking. I need to find out if that is enforced on weekends. I'm sure we can work something out though.

bampf - Apr 27, 2006 - 09:22 AM
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Team Mafia (Harrisburg) is down one player, maybe 2. Putting us at 5 + 1.5.

Zinak - Apr 27, 2006 - 11:44 AM
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Dammm looksl like I need to paint all night tonight to get my now unprimed team painted in time for this..... i see no sleep for a night or two. PS mongo go put a dark blue dry brush on them damm ratz while I am at work .. you know you want to :> :> :>

Zinak

BB_Babe - Apr 27, 2006 - 02:55 PM
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Dan and I should be arriving c.5pm depending on traffic. I'm heading to the UU Church for a Beltane ritual at 7 with the folks I'm crashing with.

Cheers,
Maureen

Clan_Skaven - Apr 27, 2006 - 07:24 PM
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I'm officially pulling out so no team RATS

I will see you all at another tourney some day.

Rod.

twist - Apr 27, 2006 - 07:56 PM
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Sorry to hear that Rod, wish we knew your interest earlier. As it turns out we are headed east, crossing @ kingston regardless.

CyberHare - Apr 28, 2006 - 06:30 AM
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Allrighty then I'm just about to get on the road. Safe travels to everyone. See you all there.

Clan_Skaven - Apr 28, 2006 - 09:29 AM
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Ok last minute plans I can bus it there cheap$$$ long drive arrive in philly 5am ish or fly get there tonight 9pmish, exspensive$$$

I'm not workin so flying is not pratical

& not sure if 15 hours in a bus each way is for me

I have just under 2 hours to decide on bus, .....

Rod

(who knows , you just might see me there!)

jaylazer - Apr 28, 2006 - 09:37 AM
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Rod,

My house is going to be pretty full but you are welcome to crash here if you don't have any place else.

It would be great to have you.

Clan_Skaven - Apr 28, 2006 - 09:53 AM
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Ok call me a spammer, but after some consideration I think its best that I just stay here.

(besides I never had my victory speach written)

Rod

hoomin_erra - Apr 28, 2006 - 10:15 AM
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From what i've been told, and seen here you wouldn't need one, so you can still go! Wink

Zinak - Apr 28, 2006 - 03:49 PM
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Ohh noo team is still not painted :< arrrggg looks like an all nighter again :<

Zinak

Clan_Skaven - Apr 29, 2006 - 01:40 AM
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hoomin_erra wrote:

From what i've been told, and seen here you wouldn't need one, so you can still go! Wink

Hey you willin to put yer BEER where your mouth is?

I'll play you a pint for a game!

Listen to others all you want, but if you think your the man, you will play me for the BEER or shuttin up!

Shocked

Rod.

hoomin_erra - Apr 29, 2006 - 01:42 AM
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Is Clan-skaven always this touchy and grumpy?

Clan_Skaven - Apr 29, 2006 - 02:53 AM
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hoomin_erra wrote:

Is Clan-skaven always this touchy and grumpy?

No just when I'm drunk,....... GO BEER!

No harm of foul meant hoomin era (or whatever yer name is)

Just look at my NAF tourney record you will probably kick my a$$!

But I'll still play for that pint whenver we play!

Rod.

KarlLagerbottom - Apr 29, 2006 - 05:43 AM
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Hoomin-
You don't even need to look at his record...just check out his avatar. That is a haircut he was forced to take at The Death Bowl when he didn't finish very well at the previous tourney. Smile

-Rob

P.S. That the 2nd haircut like that he's had and I believe a 3rd is on the way. (At least. Smile

)

P.P.S. I suck to so...blah blah blah CS. Smile

Clan_Skaven - Apr 29, 2006 - 10:17 AM
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KarlLagerbottom wrote:

Hoomin-
You don't even need to look at his record...just check out his avatar. That is a haircut he was forced to take at The Death Bowl when he didn't finish very well at the previous tourney. Smile

-Rob

P.S. That the 2nd haircut like that he's had and I believe a 3rd is on the way. (At least. Smile

)

P.P.S. I suck to so...blah blah blah CS. Smile

that wa the 1st haitcut & the 2nd is on the way. So I get haircuts while u get wood spoons at tournies!

Rod.

PS sorry hommin erra if i offended you last night i was just bustin yer balls was all. Ask anyone who knows me I'm all shyts & giggles never to be taken seriously!

hoomin_erra - Apr 29, 2006 - 01:57 PM
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Not a problem clan rat, but you really should get another keyboard, that one keeps misspelling my name.

Clan_Skaven - Apr 29, 2006 - 03:38 PM
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hoomin_erra wrote:

Not a problem clan rat, but you really should get another keyboard, that one keeps misspelling my name.

I guess you can call my typing a "hoomin_error"

Wink

Rod

hoomin_erra - Apr 29, 2006 - 05:26 PM
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Cunning pun there!! Rolling Eyes

KarlLagerbottom - Apr 30, 2006 - 06:05 AM
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Clan-Skaven wrote:

I guess you can call my typing a "hoomin_error"

Wink

Rod

That one must have been cooking for a while Hoomin...either that or Rod rolled a 6 on the Quick-Joke-O-Meter.

BTW...Rodrick...I may have another spoon on the way. D@MN I hate 1's!
Mad

Glorian_Underhill - Apr 30, 2006 - 09:39 AM
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Hey don´t make hoomin mad! Very Happy

Ya know Alex from clockwork orange?

Hoomin got the bowler, is half size and double angry when he has to listen to beethoven! Mr. Green

Paul - Apr 30, 2006 - 11:41 PM
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Man Skaven Suck.

And Brian managed to do what Lucien Bouchard and Jacques Parizeau could never do.

(Little Canadian Political Joke for ya. Leave you to figure it out for yourself)

twist - May 01, 2006 - 12:14 AM
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Hey Brian! When are you going to post the results? Laughing

Xtreme - May 01, 2006 - 01:54 AM
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So, who won?

jaylazer - May 01, 2006 - 06:39 AM
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Team DC pulled out the win with the help of some early dominance. I believe 3 of them were undefeated after round 3. It got a little tight at the end though, making the tourny that much more exciting.

We ended up going with 4 teams of 6 since we ran a little short on players.
The teams were
DC
Harrisburg (Maffia)
New England (NY and Boston)
Philly

The 4 members of Team Canada were dispersed evenly through the other teams. Adding a little bit of something to each team, eh? Smile

On day 1 we did a team round robin with the highest points players in each team playing each other.

At the end of the day it was
DC
Philly
Harrisburg
NE

(not sure completely about Philly and Harrisburg).

On day 2 we did a semi final and final rounds. It was DC vs New England and Philly vs Harrisburg.

DC and New England tied (2/2/2 I think) and DC won the tie breaker. Philly barely beat Harrisburg (forget the record).

In the finals, DC and Philly tied as well (2/2/2). DC won the tie breaker there as well.

Brian will have to fill us in on the rest of the details

Hoshi_Komi - May 01, 2006 - 06:59 AM
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Yeah it was good format. Too bad we didn't get enough for 6 teams.

The DC crew had a great first day which stormed us out to a Huge lead.

The playoffs our top 2 players ran into brick walls with Skummy's Rat Ogre knocking himself down on his first 5 actions.

I just managed to save a tie vs Mo with a pass to a Bull Centaur. which was the difference between NY/BOston going to the Finals and Us. .....4+ roll in a team tourney on turn 8 of 2nd half.....incredible.

Vs Philly in the championships, they gave us a real run for our money. I was one of the two losses, with Cam trouncing me and taking advantage of bad dice all around on my part. The closest I came to scoring was a long bomb to a bull centaur.....accurate..dropped...He's a good coach and if you give him the openings, they will be exploited

I had lots of fun and it was great to see everyone again.

DC also took: Best Overall---Skummy
Most Cas--Me
Most TD--JB

so almost clean sweep on awards

skummy - May 01, 2006 - 07:39 AM
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A truly amazing run of good fortune for me.

My opponents were:
Dwarves (Dan, who wound up taking 2nd)
Lizardmen
Lizardmen
Orcs
Undead.

And my skaven wound up suffering only 2 casualties... all tournament!

Was very good to see the Harrisburg Mafia again, as well as meet most of team Canada. We had a very good draft with Peter to team DC.

Most of all, a fun format that's a good idea. One of the worst things about tournaments is having to play members of your own league when you go - and that just wasn't going to happen in this one. Made for a whole lot more overall fun.

jware30 - May 01, 2006 - 08:04 AM
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Thanks Cyber for putting together a fun tourney! Had loads of fun and played some excellent players.

Looking forward to the next time and having a NY team represent!

CyberHare - May 01, 2006 - 08:26 AM
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So DC pull a win out of their arse with a double tiebreaker day 2. I should have said the team captains would have to duke it out to break ties.

Thank you to everyone who attended the event. Thank you especially to Team Canada who after traveling the furthest of anyone to attend the event were split up so that the event could run smoothly.

Since we only had 5 teams show up and no alternates we had to make a few changes to the format on the fly. Team Canada only had 4 players so I split them up with a random draw to each of the other 4 teams and we played 6 coaches per team. Since there were only 4 teams every team had played every other team after 3 rounds. That being the case I decided to turn Sunday into a championship elimination format round. They established team rankings with the Saturday round robin and 1st played 4th and 2nd played 3rd. It worked out well in the end.

A big thanks to Fat Cat Comics and Games for having us and offering everyone a 10% discount on purchases at the store for the weekend. I know some of you took advantage of that as did I.

We raised $120US for Team Canada an $120US for Team USA. I'll get the funds for Team Canada off to Ben the next time I see him. You US coaches are going to have to get organized and let me know who will be taking care of the funds for team USA. Of all the ways to raise cash for the World cup I think this is one of the best ways. If we can all get together and charge a few extra bucks for tourney entry it'll be a big boost in funds for the north american teams.

Having the tourney in Philly was, I believe, a good idea. It's a nice area, centrally located, and Fat Cat has very good air circulation. Always an important factor for a gaming store Wink

I'll get the tourney results posted ASAP.

Thanks again to everyone who attended.

Rune_Master - May 01, 2006 - 09:05 AM
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After somebody invoked the "Bribe the T.O." rule and got my very inexperienced Amazon team Day 1 match-ups against Norse, Chaos Dwarf, and Dwarf.......morale was mighty low. Several members of the Valhalla Express took the "express" to Valhalla after that day.

Fortunately, Nuffle smiled upon the brave valkyries and they smote a tough Skaven team and managed an obscene amount of dodges (many on rerolls) to sashay past a very tough Undead team.

Final tally - 2W/2L/1T

Not terrible for my second tourny and only having 5 previous games experience with my ladies.

Lots of fun was had, it was nice to meet many of the people whose screennames/avatars were all I knew of them previously. Really looking forward to the Phrakus in May now!

BTW, will the NW Cup will be in DC next year?

Paul - May 01, 2006 - 10:29 AM
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Nope. its coming to Canada, as per the agreement to split up Team Canada. Book your tickets to Toronto as the New World Cup is coming north of the border.

Thanks to Brian for running things. The Comic shop was great, a little crowded at times, but there was fresh air, and the Saloon next door gave us a good place to go between games (where me and Ken got IDed for being strangers Very Happy

)

Good to see some people again and meet some new folks down there. Had a good time despite my miserable play. I should have just came with a 7's roster cause thats what it was like for most of my games.

Hoshi_Komi - May 01, 2006 - 11:28 AM
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Brian can u post final overall records?

I believe DC's was: 16-7-7, 14-4-7 w/o CAN

just to see how the overall broke out.

twist - May 01, 2006 - 11:59 AM
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Is that W/T/L Ken?

Clan_Skaven - May 01, 2006 - 12:16 PM
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Where were you guys? I arrived at the bustop slept in some alley, I'm still in Philly (lost, wet, cold, & crying.... sniff) I'm at some internet cafe, lost my return bus ticket, & had my wallet & figs stolen while I passed out in the alley!

Can't really complain though I never lost, 0-0-0 record. Maybe if I start walking home from Philly now I'll be home in time to play in the Death-Bowl.

Rod.

Hoshi_Komi - May 01, 2006 - 12:18 PM
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twist wrote:

Is that W/T/L Ken?

Yes

Clan_Skaven - May 01, 2006 - 12:18 PM
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& if you really belive my last post your more gullable than Lagerbottom is good at winning wooden spoons!

Rod

0-0-0 at the North World Cup!

Hoshi_Komi - May 01, 2006 - 12:22 PM
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How did Paul avoid the spoon? he was 0-5

the guy who won the spoon won 1 since he beat a DC guy in the first round...... Shocked

Clan_Skaven - May 01, 2006 - 12:25 PM
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gken1 wrote:

How did Paul avoid the spoon? he was 0-5

the guy who won the spoon won 1 since he beat a DC guy in the first round...... Shocked

bad point scoring system Paul probably lost a bunch of close games!
therefore giving him more points than a guy with a win.

Rod!

Rune_Master - May 01, 2006 - 12:59 PM
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gken1 wrote:

How did Paul avoid the spoon? he was 0-5

the guy who won the spoon won 1 since he beat a DC guy in the first round...... Shocked

not "easy", but do-able. Points were 50 for win, 30 for tie, 20 for loss, 10 for +2 TD win, 10 for losing by one, 10 for +2 CAS inflicted.

coach #1 - 1W/4L/0t - 130pts
if he won by less than 2, lost every game by at least two scores, and didn't inflict +2 Cas, he wouldn't get any bonus points.

coach #2 - 0w/5L/0t - 100pts
but if this coach was close in most if not every game (+10 each game=50pts), and maybe even inflicted a ton of damage in most if not every game(+10 each game=50pts)...the total could be as high as 200pts.

Paul - May 01, 2006 - 01:01 PM
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well, now that the Cats out of the bag, I did go 0-5

I kept it close in four games and I had Casualties in another, giving me 150 points, throw in sportsmanship and stuff and it put me ahead of the other guy.

I can't remember the final point breakdowns, but if you loose 4 and tie 1 game, you can get 130 points if you don't keep it close/casualties etc.

Still, its no fun playing when you're down 6 guys in every game Sad

Hoshi_Komi - May 01, 2006 - 01:09 PM
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Paul wrote:

Still, its no fun playing when you're down 6 guys in every game Sad

well u helped me win the cas title Smile

the beer after cheered ya up though....just it was your first game and u didn't know u had 4 more beatings to go.....

Hoshi_Komi - May 01, 2006 - 01:10 PM
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also I think 20pts for a loss is a bit much. 10pts works better.

50w/10l =60pts avail
30t/30t= 60 pts avail
minus all bonus pts of course Smile

Rune_Master - May 01, 2006 - 01:16 PM
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gken1 wrote:

Paul wrote:

Still, its no fun playing when you're down 6 guys in every game Sad

well u helped me win the cas title Smile

the beer after cheered ya up though....just it was your first game and u didn't know u had 4 more beatings to go.....

Hey! I think I did my part in getting you to that CAS title! Where was my beer?! Wink

Hoshi_Komi - May 01, 2006 - 01:32 PM
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ok I owe you one at the phrakus Smile

Rune_Master - May 01, 2006 - 02:00 PM
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it's all good, after all, you did apologize preemptively for the smackdown you were about to lay on my girlz... Wink

Paul - May 01, 2006 - 02:31 PM
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gken1 wrote:

Paul wrote:

Still, its no fun playing when you're down 6 guys in every game Sad

well u helped me win the cas title Smile

the beer after cheered ya up though....just it was your first game and u didn't know u had 4 more beatings to go.....

yep, that beer helped. The beers on Saturday night made Sunday alot better too Smile

Still, that TD I scored on you. That made the New World Cup Highlihgt Reel.

Good try on defense though Smile

Hoshi_Komi - May 01, 2006 - 05:13 PM
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Canada's Record:
I think I'm doing this from Memory....correct me if I'm wrong.

Paul: 0-0-5
Cam: 3-1-1
Peter: 2-3-0
George: 1-3-1

Total: 6-7-7

Spazzfist - May 01, 2006 - 05:50 PM
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Looks like you guys needed me there after all! Wink

twist - May 01, 2006 - 06:28 PM
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I think the tourney in general needed people. Unfortunately, Team Canada was dissolved due to having only 4 guys. But we 4 guys wouldn't have been able to make it either from adding more people, due to the expense of renting a gas guzzling van. Shocked

Great thanks to Peter for offering to drive in his diesel volkswagon! He even drove the entire way, 9 hours... Surprised

Regardless, it was fun! A room full of good sportsmanship, good BB, and of course, it never hurts to have a bar across the street from the hotel (no cabs and no one has to drive!), and a saloon next door to the tourney location! Incentive to finish quicker!

I joined Team Philly, and to be honest don't know how all of them faired. Quiet bunch, not like team DC! Laughing

We were in the thick of it all weekend though, and did quite well winning the semi's and losing a tiebreaker to DC in the final.

On day 1 I beat an orc team (can't remember his NAF name), then lost by 1 TD to Skummy's rats. I couldn't break his armour with my lizards, and he tied me up well, leaving my skinks to deal with the gutter runners. Thats not gonna happen... Razz

Game 3 was against BB Babe, my first ever vs. Zons with my Lizards. I think I won that one 2-0, though the blocking wars were uneffective by both of us casualty wise, my KOs were crucial for taking over numerical advantage during sweltering heat. She had trouble facing my strength, and I ended up moving her D around with a ton of pushbacks.

Day 2 I faced a non-NAF coach playing dwarves, and after kicking to him, I held him back at center field most of the half, but he scored by the end of the half. Second half I scored in 3 or 4 turns, going for the win and not the tie. I then kicked to him, and thru solid D (swarming the dwarf runner with 3 tacklezones, 2 saurii & a skink!) I managed to take the ball again, and worked a skink down to the end zone line, ready to score the go ahead TD in the next turn when Brian called 'times up!' Curses, a tie!! Crying or Very sad

In my final game, I played gken1, kicking to him. I swarmed his hobgob in the backfield early, eventually stealing the ball for a TD. Kicked to him again, and scored again to go up 2-0 at the half. I really took advantage of his errors, some of them forced, some of them due to Lady Luck being a b!+(#. He had a chance in the second with a successful long bomb pass to the bull centaur, but dropped the catch.

I wish I could have averaged out the good luck vs gken1 and the bad I had with Skummy, but thems the breaks. I'd love to play against all these coaches again, provided their dice are legal. Laughing

Thanks for a well run tourney, Brian! And Jay, thanks for your organizing, your suggestions for hotels, bars, and everything Exton are appreciated!

Hope to see everyone at Qermitt, Death Bowl, or the next Canadian Open!

Clan_Skaven - May 01, 2006 - 08:23 PM
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Paul wrote:

Paul please tell me all 5 opponents were NAF! Twisted Evil

Yes to have Paul's Skaven fall below my Skaven in rankings! HOOOOYA!

Rod.

Kolja_TBBF - May 01, 2006 - 09:40 PM
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OOoooo, I feel bad for punking out and not going....

Kolja

Paul - May 01, 2006 - 10:16 PM
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you should

jware30 - May 02, 2006 - 07:25 AM
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Clan-Skaven wrote:

Paul please tell me all 5 opponents were NAF! Twisted Evil

Yes to have Paul's Skaven fall below my Skaven in rankings! HOOOOYA!

Rod.

I think everyone was NAF, cause Cyber required them to register to play.

twist - May 02, 2006 - 09:28 AM
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jware30 wrote:

I think everyone was NAF, cause Cyber required them to register to play.

I played a guy who wasn't registered to NAF, a dwarf coach. Rolling Eyes

BB_Babe - May 02, 2006 - 09:48 AM
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Paul wrote:

Still, its no fun playing when you're down 6 guys in every game Sad

6 every game is harsh. But I was down 6 casualties against Ken and had a blast, he was fighting hard to get the tie. In a stunning upset my Amazons took the ball away from his Chaos Dwarves on the first drive and scored on turn 3, then held them off for 5 turns on defese -- it was 1-0 at the end of the half Shocked

He was getting all the casualty rolls and I was getting all the dodging into 2 TZs and passing the ball out of them rolls. Quite a moral victory. Very Happy

My dice karma caught up with me in the next and final game though against Jeremy's orcs. He intercepted my pass in the first drive and got 3 casualties on his way to the first goal. And the apo roll failed. Never got enough momentum back after that. Crying or Very sad

My first game against Peter's Necro was a 2-1 loss that could have gone either way. Quite a close match and fun. Cool

Stomped Kent's Skaven in round 2. I've played Skaven enough to know what to do against them Twisted Evil

But then got stomped by Cam's Lizards. Only played against Lizards once before with Skaven, and still haven't figured out how to crack a solid formation of Sauri with a lightweight team. Confused

Altogether, had a great time. Thanks Brian & everyone!

Cheers,
Mo

garth - May 02, 2006 - 08:09 PM
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Paul wrote:

Still, its no fun playing when you're down 6 guys in every game Sad

Didn't you play a game against me when you knocked out all but 3 players? I have no pity... Very Happy

I am TRULY sorry for not being able to go to this tourney. At least I would not have been the *worst* player there! hee, hee!

Anyway, I was literally bed-ridden from Friday to Sunday -- I would have been too sick to go anyway. (Paul: I got my new tires today! Now I can drive!)

Garth

Paul - May 02, 2006 - 09:08 PM
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Cool, you want to drive down for the Phrakus Smile

KarlLagerbottom - May 02, 2006 - 09:55 PM
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Good idea!

Come on Garth...you need to break-in those new wheels right? Smile

bampf - May 02, 2006 - 10:02 PM
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Apologies to BB_Babe for the harsh beating my orcs administered. I had built up a lot of dice karma heading into that game (2 failed GFIs for turn 8 TDs in two games for starters) that was vented on her poor zons. She took the beatings in great spirits though (probably still aglow from the thrashing she gave Ken!).

We woulda drafted you for a Mafia proxy if you made it, Garth! We ll catch you in Boston instead if ya can t make the long drive to the Phrakus.

Blank_Page - May 03, 2006 - 12:08 PM
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Good tourney.

The games I lost/tied could have been draws/wins on a 4+ pick-up or handoff roll on the final turn.

The one exception is my game vs Undead where I got a quick snap to start the game, put my Blitz-Ra under the ball, caught it, and then rolled block/skull followed by skull/skull... Not a good way to start the game. In fact, skull/skull then skull/skull happened again later that half, and gave my opponent a comfortable 2-0 lead.

I rolled tripple skulls FOUR times over the weekend. Plus, my armor rolls were less than productive.

Paul - May 03, 2006 - 01:14 PM
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Blank_Page wrote:

yea but you just gotta remember what 5 times 0 is. Smile

And that saloon next door rocked. (might have contributed to my poor performance myself Very Happy

)

ryltar - May 03, 2006 - 08:36 PM
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gken1 wrote:

How did Paul avoid the spoon? he was 0-5

the guy who won the spoon won 1 since he beat a DC guy in the first round...... Shocked

Hey,

I am 'the guy' who got the spoon. I was quite impressed myself as I had a 1W-1T-3L record, which was better than TWO other coaches on my team (and who knows who else). But I got a free Vampire out of it Smile

I would be tempted to say that there is something wrong with the scoring system but I don't run tourneys so I wouldn't know. I didn't get many bonus points, especially as there was no way wood elves were going to get 'smackdown' Rolling Eyes

bonuses.

Thanks to Brian for running the event, Fat Cats for hosting, and to all the coaches who kept killing my elves.

Blodge? You can't blodge a POW Shocked

Greg

Hoshi_Komi - May 03, 2006 - 10:29 PM
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yeah. that's what I'm saying...u got the spoon but there was a guy with an 0-5 record....

twist - May 03, 2006 - 10:38 PM
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Brainstorming... 1 W=50, 1 T=30, 3 losses=60, for a grand total of 140.
5 Keeping it close losses= 150, and maybe a few smackdown bonuses... Then theres sportsmanship points, that seem random...

Who knows. Who cares?

PA rocks, they stock Crown Royal! Wink

Clan_Skaven - May 04, 2006 - 01:15 AM
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twist wrote:

0-5 IS STILL SPOONMAN IMO

oh & yes , drunk I am....

BEER!!!!!

CyberHare - May 04, 2006 - 04:18 AM
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Don't forget also that Jay played one of Rob's games and there was a bonus or two in that game alone. The system I use is not just about winning or loosing but how well you win or loose. Loosing by 1 is a lot better than loosing by two or three. Anyone can loose by one. You have to have been having a pretty bad game or have been well outplayed to have been beaten by 2 or more. Winning by one point is not any better than a tie, yippee you got a couple better lucky rolls than your opponent. The 50 - 20 -10 system put way too much focus on the win and awards tactics like stalling because you only need the one point win. The 50 - 30 - 20 system keeps more people in the game "mathematically" longer and is more focused on how well a game is won or how badly it is lost.

Hoshi_Komi - May 04, 2006 - 07:13 AM
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yeah but a loser who keeps it close and gets cas can get more points than a person who tied.

regardless, a player who forces a tie played a better game than someone who loses.

loss should be 10pts.

BB_Babe - May 04, 2006 - 08:10 AM
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If a close loss were only 5 points less than a tie, then you still stay in the running by keeping it close, but the spoon decision is based on actual losses.

ryltar - May 04, 2006 - 08:36 AM
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CyberHare wrote:

Winning by one point is not any better than a tie, yippee you got a couple better lucky rolls than your opponent.

Just consider though, dwarves, and other slower teams are going to have a tough time posting more than 2 points at ALL let alone over their opponent. Thus a dwarf team that plays standard dwarf tactics and comes out with the 1-0 win is penalized for being a dwarf team.

MightyQ - May 04, 2006 - 08:53 AM
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Kind of also depends on the races they played too... Your not going to get many casualties playing Orcs & Dwarfs as you would playing AV7's...

I lost to Dwarf 0-2 (0-2) but then I got to play Woodies 3-1 (2-1), Skaven 2-1 (3-1) and Lizardmen 1-2 (2-1)

Maybe NAF needs to put out a standard point system...

I run heroclix tournaments, it's usually only 3 rounds, but it goes by w/l then points are used for seedings... If at the end of 3 rounds and 2 teams are 3-0, they play off...

I was a bit confused in my 1st NAF tournament after 4 rounds, one team was 4-0-0, 2-1-1 and one was 2-2-0 the 2-1-1 lost to the 4-0-0 but because of points they played in the championship, so there remained 2 undefeated teams 5-0-0 & 3-2-0 that never played each other...

I am not picking on this previous tournaments point system, using it as an example...

team a goes 5-0-0 wins every game 1-0 (0-1) they get 250 pts
team b goes 3-0-2 wins every game 2-0 (1-0) loses 0-1 (1-0) they get 290 pts
team c goes 3-1-1 wins every game 2-0 (1-0) ties 1-1 (1-0) loses 0-1 (0-1) they get 290pts

so its "possible" for a team to go 3-0-2 or 3-1-1 and get more points then a team 5-0-0 and the 5-0-0 team be out of the championship round...

its possible to lose 0-1 (1-0) get 40pts
tie 1-1 (0-0) only get 30pts...

using 10 points for a loss still wont affect the top scenerio 250pts, 270pts, 280pts...

Lose 30pts, tie 30pts for the bottom scenerio...

Maybe it's not the w/t/l points but the bonus points in question...

Rune_Master - May 04, 2006 - 09:31 AM
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Perhaps the thing to do is not use points accumulated as the first criteria for seedings/finishes. Use W/L/T as the first criteria. That way, there is no chance of a 4/0/1 coach beating out a 5/0/0 coach. But, if there are two 5/0/0 coaches, you then go to points accumulated to determine who finished higher.

The same applies to the spoon. This way no coach who went 1/3/1 can get the spoon when there was a coach who went 0/5/0. And, if there is more than one 0/5/0 coach, the one with the lowest points accumulated gets the spoon.

Of course, further tie breakers may be necessary, but those can be figured out tourney to tourney.

MightyQ - May 04, 2006 - 09:42 AM
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CyberHare wrote:

The system I use is not just about winning or loosing but how well you win or loose.

But isnt winning the main point ???

CyberHare wrote:

Loosing by 1 is a lot better than loosing by two or three. Anyone can loose by one.

A loss is a loss... It all depends on the races...
ex. Down 1-2 Norse have a chance with a pick up, handoff and pass to tie on their turn 8, they fail the pick up, the Gutter Runner swoops in picks up the ball and scores final 1-3... So in a way by your wording, I should have never tried and protected the ball and just took the 1-2 loss instead of trying for a tie...

CyberHare wrote:

You have to have been having a pretty bad game or have been well outplayed to have been beaten by 2 or more.

Well my Wood Elf opponent sure did... I pow'd his wardancers almost every hit and he couldnt knock down any of my players, he was soon outnumbered but he never gave up... He was still leaping into the cage trying to get that ball... He lost 3-1 but he sure gave it his all...

CyberHare wrote:

Winning by one point is not any better than a tie, yippee you got a couple better lucky rolls than your opponent.

Still lost on why winning isnt more important ???

CyberHare wrote:

The 50 - 20 -10 system put way too much focus on the win and awards tactics like stalling because you only need the one point win. The 50 - 30 - 20 system keeps more people in the game "mathematically" longer and is more focused on how well a game is won or how badly it is lost.

But depending upon the race your are playing stalling is a very viable tactic, something that took me a long time to understand... Scoring on turn 7 with your opponent having turns 7 & 8 with skaven, lizardmen or wood elves, giving them a chance to score or scoring on turn 8, giving them only turn 8 and hoping for injury time to score...

I saw a game last night on fumbbl where the player was up 1-0 his turn 8 he could have scored and his opponent had turn 8 to hit him, he dodged all his players away from his opponent and decided not to score and give his opponent the chance of injuring his team on the kickoff...

Which could be used in a tournament game especially if you are armor 7 and there is a possible chance of your opponent causing 3-4 casualties on his final turn of the kickoff and getting the bonus points with 3 block and a blitz...

I thought one of the main reasons for naf tournaments was because it was hard to get people together in real life to play a full season, then playoffs without real life effecting games not being played and in one weekend you play a season so to speak then have the championship in the last round...

KarlLagerbottom - May 04, 2006 - 12:10 PM
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CyberHare wrote:

Don't forget also that Jay played one of Rob's games and there was a bonus or two in that game alone.

What has this got to do with anything? My name was not mentioned before or after this little extraneous tidbit of information. All I know is...if not for a single roll of a 1, I start the tourney with a 3-1 win. It didn't happen and I lost...so be it. Fact is, record nonwithstanding, I was competitive in every game I played.

Also, since you found it necessary to point out that Jay played one of my games and garnered some bonus points...I hope that game doesn't get included in my NAF rating...I don't want any undue bonus points to sneak in there.

Sorry Jay...you were 0-1 in the NA Cup.

-Rob

MightyQ - May 04, 2006 - 01:44 PM
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Jay also played a game for me, not sure how that turned our yet...

KarlLagerbottom - May 04, 2006 - 02:26 PM
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Right...I forgot about that one...I think Jay tied that game.

Jay...that makes 0 Wins, 1 Loss, and 1 Tie.
Bill...Brian will need to determine what type of bonus points had for that round. (Somehow it is relevant in the general discussion of the Wooden Spoon.)

-RobO

MightyQ - May 04, 2006 - 02:34 PM
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Jay should get the Rock award for being there and filling in when needed, Val too...

CyberHare - May 04, 2006 - 04:34 PM
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MightyQ wrote:

But isnt winning the main point ???

No. Winning being the main point is exactly what I try to avoid. As the saying goes...

It's not if you win or loose but how you play the game

Loosing a game but sticking it out and never giving up is a valuable task as far as I'm concerned and something to be encouraged. Simply winning a game by 1 and then stalling, while yes I agree is sometimes a viable an necessary tactic, is no fun at all for your opponent. Yes there are some racial variables but this is Blood Bowl, not chess. Some races are meant to have a harder time of it than others. The rules are clearly layed out before the event and I've yet to see this rule set hurt the amount of dwarves at an event Wink

At the end of the day I hold a tournament to have a gathering of friends that all enjoy playing Blood Bowl. Finding winners or loosers is simply a by-product of the event. The purpose is to get together, have a good time, good beers and good laughes. That being the case I prefer a points system there leans towards the generous as opposed to win specific.

MightyQ - May 04, 2006 - 06:01 PM
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CyberHare wrote:

MightyQ wrote:

But isnt winning the main point ???

No. Winning being the main point is exactly what I try to avoid. As the saying goes...

It's not if you win or loose but how you play the game

Yes, heard that saying alot and it's mainly used for little kids so their feeling aren't hurt when they lose, this isnt little league, it's BLOOD BOWL !!! Smile

But I would say the majority of us are much older, some more competitive and joined the NAF for coach ratings and standings... Play tic tac toe, there is barely ever is a winner or loser...

CyberHare wrote:

Loosing a game but sticking it out and never giving up is a valuable task as far as I'm concerned and something to be encouraged. Simply winning a game by 1 and then stalling, while yes I agree is sometimes a viable an necessary tactic, is no fun at all for your opponent. Yes there are some racial variables but this is Blood Bowl, not chess. Some races are meant to have a harder time of it than others. The rules are clearly layed out before the event and I've yet to see this rule set hurt the amount of dwarves at an event Wink

Maybe I was totally mislead for NAF tournaments, I want to play the best and learn... I know I didnt spend time driving, playing sometimes 10 hour days just sitting around playing games that don't seem to mean anything just to have laughs and beers (dont drink by the way)...

I enjoy meeting other blood bowlers, match faces with names that I have chatted with on NAF or Fumbbl... It's a game, a competitive game, maybe someday it will have a spot in the Olympics Smile

and I would say it is very much like chess... Each move and positioning of players is very strategic...

CyberHare - May 04, 2006 - 06:58 PM
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MightyQ wrote:

Yes, heard that saying alot and it's mainly used for little kids so their feeling aren't hurt when they lose,this isnt little league, it's BLOOD BOWL !!! Smile

But I would say the majority of us are much older, some more competitive and joined the NAF for coach ratings and standings... Play tic tac toe, there is barely ever is a winner or loser...

Luckily I have this more interesting game called Blood Bowl to play Wink

Spazzfist - May 04, 2006 - 07:22 PM
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CyberHare wrote:

Luckily I have this more interesting game called Blood Bowl to play Wink

Yeah, I've heard of that one. I heard that it's like chess..... only different. Wink

Hoshi_Komi - May 04, 2006 - 07:47 PM
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uh....let's drop it ok?

getting retarded in here.

Clan_Skaven - May 05, 2006 - 01:14 AM
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gken1 wrote:

uh....let's drop it ok?

getting retarded in here.

Let me get drunk , & post on the topic then it will get retarded! Laughing

Rod

MightyQ - May 05, 2006 - 02:11 AM
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Well thats one reason I posted to get a better understand things...

It was only my 3rd NAF tournament and it was different then I expected, different then the other 2 I was in... And in posting and talking with a few others, they pointed out things I was unaware of and things I should and shouldn't expect, much appreciated...

KarlLagerbottom - May 05, 2006 - 11:28 AM
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gken1 wrote:

uh....let's drop it ok?

getting retarded in here.

I have to agree here...this reply does smack of Ray Babbitt. Smile

CyberHare wrote:

Luckily I have this more interesting game called Blood Bowl to play Wink

I think Brian must be an excellent driver. Smile

CyberHare - May 06, 2006 - 09:19 AM
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Ok the results have been entered. There were 2 non NAF coaches at the event and 2 coaches dropped out on day 2 so if you're missing a match that's why. Jay and Val stepped in for those matches and I'll have their matches in soon.

Clan_Skaven - May 06, 2006 - 11:20 AM
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Congrats Paul your the new worst Skaven coach in Canada! From a former champion of piss poor Skaven coaching I'll tell you enjoy your title as long as you hold it! Laughing

Someday someone will take your title away from you, as someone did to me. Then you took it from them. Who will take it from you!

Now I know you want to say I will Paul, but I have been there, experianced that, not going back!

See you later bud, & don't worry Paul one tof the Vermin coaches has to be in the GUTTER & its just your turn!

Enjoy it! Live It! Be It! & Always Remember.... YOU ARE THE WORST SKAVEN COACH IN CANADA! Laughing

Sorry Paul I had to. Wink

Rod.

Paul - May 06, 2006 - 03:11 PM
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Rod,

I know you don't win much, or at all, so I hope you enjoy this and live it up man. I mean, you're just a genearl all around piss poor coach, so if you want to enjoy these few weeks that I'm below you in the standings, go for it.

I will point out that the results from the Canadian Open (where I went 3-2-1 with the rats) haven't been entered yet. I sure hope that those results don't put me up over your team, because I know you'll be crushed if you fall below me in the standings again.

Oh, and I do need some advice from you. See, you're a career never-was, never came close to winning anything, let alone a couple games at a tournament. So, really, how do you deal with being rated so badly?

Spazzfist - May 06, 2006 - 05:01 PM
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Paul wrote:

Ouch!

CyberHare - May 06, 2006 - 05:09 PM
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Ding one point for Paul Razz

Spazzfist - May 06, 2006 - 05:11 PM
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CyberHare wrote:

Ding one point for Paul Razz

I dunno, that is like awarding casualty point for fouling!

That was harsh Paul! I'm sure Rod meant no harm, just taking the piss out of you was all.

Clan_Skaven - May 06, 2006 - 07:06 PM
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Paul wrote:

LOL! Thats one of the best comebacks I ever had! Congrats Paul you are savy in the ways of BB hacking! Shocked

I have won more than 2 games in a tourney, (3 total!) 2004 SPIKE I went 3 wins, 1 tie, 2 losses.

I did come close to winning twice at BB tourney's (1) your 1st Tourney the 2005 CDN. Open I almost won most TD's scored. (Just a few behind 1st) & my other almost trophy was the 2004 CDN open I almost won the Wooden Spoon!!! (I was 27th out of 28 )

Those were my two almost victories (Glad I never won the 2nd. one!) Embarassed

We will have to see how much your rank changes after the CDN Open results are in! I agree I hope you stay behind me, but if not I'll just have to jump ahead!

Paul I'm seeing the start of a wonderfull rivalry here! Wink

Till those results are posted Paul.....

PS one thing you at least can be happy about .....

You are not as I once was, yes I was at one time The Worst Canadian Coach in NAF!

But it has taken me awhile but I have climbed & clawed my way up the ranks.

Let the Warpstone fly & Vermin Fever Go Wild & may the insults keep on a flying! Shocked

Rod.

Paul - May 06, 2006 - 07:23 PM
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Ahh Spazz, me and Rod know we're kidding around. And he also knows who the better coach is. I got a few dozen league wins over him that show that.

Rods gotta make himself feel better by talking about almost winning something like most TD's or almost winning a wooden spoon. We'll I've almost done the later as well, but my other almost wins happen to be for the whole tournament, not some little feel better award they give to some wood elf coach. Smile

Lets also not forget that I did win Carnage at the Capitol in 2005 and I happened to take home Best Painted at the 2006 Canadian Open. So Rod, there are 2 real wins for me, and yet still 0 for you Smile

Oh, I guess the Niagra Cup will be next weekend so you can get a win then is it.

Spazzfist - May 06, 2006 - 07:47 PM
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Paul wrote:

Ahh Spazz, me and Rod know we're kidding around. And he also knows who the better coach is.

Well glad to hear it! Hate to think that people take all the smack talk too seriously, I mean for Rod and I that is the only enjoyment we can get out of this cursed game! We certainly don't enjoy victory, because it happens all too little! Rolling Eyes

But for the love of Pete, man! Learn to use the smiley icons! Very Happy

They help the rest of us to know that you are only joshing!

Spazz

Clan_Skaven - May 06, 2006 - 08:16 PM
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Paul wrote:

Oh, I guess the Niagra Cup will be next weekend so you can get a win then is it.

Niagra Cup? Ummm whats that? Confused

Rod.

KarlLagerbottom - May 06, 2006 - 08:38 PM
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Brian-
For whatever it's worth...your reported the order of the games wrong. (For me anyway.)

I played Mordain5 in the 4th round, after he beat Peter's Necro team. Therefore my rating is not reflected properly for the tourney or for my overall ranking.

It may not be a big change, nor will it suddenly make me a top-ranked player, but the value of the rankings is already under question...puting results in out of order further undermines their legitamacy. I am sure that you didn't do that on purpose, but the same thing happened to my reporting for Death Bowl, so the tool you are using may have an issue.

Just an FYI.
-Rob

MightyQ - May 06, 2006 - 08:49 PM
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I played dwarfs in the 1st round, lost 0-2 (0-2).. On the naf site I am recorded as Playing Wood Elves, shows a tie 2-2, the same wood elves I played in round 2...

Hoshi_Komi - May 06, 2006 - 10:44 PM
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Naf rankings are silly.....

MightyQ - May 06, 2006 - 11:21 PM
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Naf rankings are silly, losing by 1 is better then tying, winning isnt important ??? Why do we play again ??? Oh right, to goto the bar and socialize Smile

I know NAF rankings arent accurate as all tournaments are different, but personally I would like my w/t/l record accurate...

Besides wanting to learn LRB to play in NAF Tournaments I went to Fumbbl because they kept stats Smile

OLBBL didnt, we kept our own and yes I did !!! Of my 527 played in OLBBL, I kept records of my w/t/l of every race I played against and coaches...

I think the stats, rankings on NAF add a bit of fun... I am thinking of playing Vampires ONLY because there is 1 other U.S. coach that has a ranking and I have a 50 / 50 chance of becoming the best Vampire Coach in the U.S. LOL...

Paul - May 07, 2006 - 01:31 AM
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[quote="Spazzfist"]

Paul wrote:

But for the love of Pete, man! Learn to use the smiley icons! Very Happy

They help the rest of us to know that you are only joshing!

I don't use em cause smiley icons are for loosers who got nothign better to do than convert enough goblins to bring to a tournament and get stomped on by everyone there. Very Happy

Spazzfist - May 07, 2006 - 07:41 AM
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Paul wrote:

I don't use em cause smiley icons are for loosers who got nothign better to do than convert enough goblins to bring to a tournament and get stomped on by everyone there. Very Happy

Bastard.

And for your information, not everybody stomped me! I did win two games. Wink

Paul - May 07, 2006 - 11:39 AM
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The other goblin coach doens't count. And neither did the game you played when you went home on Saturday night Smile

Clan_Skaven - May 07, 2006 - 12:30 PM
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http://ca.games-workshop.com/news/cn/events/spike/Totals.htm

There Paul documented proof of me having a winning record at a tourney , 3 Wins, 1 Tie, 2 Losses (3-0-0 on day 2) & I might add I was on the top half of the Final Standings!

Rod!

CyberHare - May 07, 2006 - 01:27 PM
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I'll post it again .......

CyberHare wrote:

As for specifics

KarlLagerbottom wrote:

For whatever it's worth...your reported the order of the games wrong. (For me anyway.)

Rob you decided to not play round two so all your games are bumped foreward one. I checked them again with the forms you filled out and they are entered correctly.

MightyQ wrote:

I played dwarfs in the 1st round, lost 0-2 (0-2).. On the naf site I am recorded as Playing Wood Elves, shows a tie 2-2, the same wood elves I played in round 2...

I answered your PM but I'll answer you here as well. Your first round opponent was not a NAF coach thus it was not a NAF game.

twist - May 07, 2006 - 02:00 PM
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Thanks for getting the results in so quickly, Brian! Only 20 or so more points for me to take Germany out of the top 5 Lizardman spots! Laughing

So thats.... approximately 4 tourneys, at maybe 2 a year... Shocked

LOL

KarlLagerbottom - May 07, 2006 - 03:35 PM
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CyberHare wrote:

KarlLagerbottom wrote:

For whatever it's worth...your reported the order of the games wrong. (For me anyway.)

Rob you decided to not play round two so all your games are bumped foreward one. I checked them again with the forms you filled out and they are entered correctly.

Why was I "bumped" at all? Shouldn't my rating be reflective of who I played in the order that I played them? My opponent's CR at the time that they played me is the relevant point here...I played no 2nd round game...my 3rd round game was played against X and as such the win or loss does this to my rating...the option of sitting out rounds was built-in to the Team Based format...you mean to tell me there is no mechanism in place to track individual's performances properly for the sake of NAF Rankings?

-Rob

P.S. F-P was my Death Bowl round opponent at DB3...he is listed as my first opponent. That obviously has to effect the rankings. (And, if in some bizarre twist of math it doesn't...it's still reported improperly so the possibility that F-P's rating is incorrect, as well as anyone that he played, and anyone that they played...is also a possibility.)

CyberHare - May 07, 2006 - 07:19 PM
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KarlLagerbottom wrote:

Why was I "bumped" at all? Shouldn't my rating be reflective of who I played in the order that I played them?

You played Ranthorn in round one. Skipped round two. Played Mordain5 in round 3, Blank_Page in 4 & Sssass in 5. To me that adds up to 4 rounds to be entered into the system. All rounds are date and time stamped. The system does not know game two was not played in round two. It only knows the date and time. You played Mordain5 on Saturday in the time slot of round 3 and were calculated according to the TR he had at that point in time. How is this complicated?

As for the DB I'll look into it.

PS. you're welcome. Rolling Eyes

Blank_Page - May 07, 2006 - 07:49 PM
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Cool. So if the system goes off time stamps, then the results from the CDN Open will change my rating for the games that were played at tihs tourney?

MightyQ - May 07, 2006 - 08:35 PM
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So NAF doesnt have a system for non-NAF players in tournaments ???
Wouldn't a Non-NAF player just be recorded at 150 Coach Rating ???

Something sounds so screwed up...

I dont like my record to be wrong, says I am 2/1/1 when I was 2/0/2 and my touchdowns for and against are wrong...

This just keeps getting better and better...

twist - May 07, 2006 - 08:59 PM
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Mighty Q: Your NAF record is just that, a record of your results versus other NAF coaches.

You should be PMing Brian about your record being wrong so that he can fix it, this forum isn't really the place.

MightyQ - May 07, 2006 - 09:16 PM
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twist wrote:

I posted here after seeing KarlLagerbottoms issues and then pm'd Brian and the answer I got was that my 1st opponent was a non-naf opponent...

Since it was posted here, asking in general for all those who have been in more tournaments then me...

Clan_Skaven - May 07, 2006 - 09:41 PM
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MightyQ wrote:

No a game vs a non NAF is (for NAF rankings a null game) Nothing is screwed up!

Rod.

Clan_Skaven - May 07, 2006 - 09:48 PM
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Why did you join NAF there Mighty Q? was it to try & nit pick every little thing that you don't see fit about it , since joining it seems 90% of your posts are complaints!

Sorry to sound rude, but if I pay you the $$ you paid to join NAF would you no longer post? (I don't think anyone wants to hear complaint after complaint after complaint)

Rod.

(I can't to hear the flack I get from this Laughing

)

MightyQ - May 07, 2006 - 10:36 PM
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Clan-Skaven wrote:

)

I joined to get the colored dice Smile

Then found out through people online that I played in OLBBL about NAF Tournaments, but none where around where I lived until the Phrakus in 2005, then the Krimpet Cup which are both based around Philly area... Dont worry I wont be traveling to Canada to play...

At the time I joined I also didnt realize until my recent posts how inaccurate coach ratings are, based on tournaments allowing star players, other dont, halfling teams not allowed ingredients, when other do, team ratings starting 100, 110 & 120... But I thought one thing that wouldnt get affected was the w/t/l records...

My posts may sound like complaints (I have read a few of your old posts so complaining goes both ways Smile

Sometimes when putting things down in print they dont come accross the way they were meant...

And also I have noticed, even if you think they all sound like complaints, it's bringing out ideas on point systems, I saw you had one... Who knows, someone reading the posts might end up coming up with a very fair and balance bonus point systems and why, because of my post or complaining as you may call it...

But reading other peoples posts and talking with a few who dont want to post, they had the same issues... I would just like to understand things, So I know next time which tournaments if any I choose to goto...

I had fun at the Phrakus, only questioned the championship game, at that time I was not fully aware of bonus point systems for things you have no control over and Jay never made comments that I didnt understand...

At the Krimpet Kup, that went well, and I think it was Joe's 1st ran tournament... We had 6 people which might have made things easier then having 24 so bonus points didnt really come into play...

Without getting into everything, I have a few health issues and things going on in my personal life that getting away to play my favorite game, and I was really looking forward to it, was going to be a relief but for me it just didnt go as I hoped it would...

Clan_Skaven - May 08, 2006 - 12:22 AM
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Well sorry man, just rember not all things are perfect. Altough I luv the NAF Coach Ranking list (it does have its flaes & mistakes, but who really cares?) You want 100% pinpoint accuracy compete in a profesional sport

Wink

I think for the cheap price the whole pakage of NAF is pretty worth it!

I really do not complain on here, I trash talk like there is no tomorrow.... Twisted Evil

The only thing close to complaining I have is the point system, (but I carry it on just to hack on the supporters of it) Wink

Ok sorry I miss judged you , but try & have one possitive post once in awhile Wink

Rod

MightyQ - May 08, 2006 - 02:07 AM
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Clan-Skaven wrote:

Blood Bowl some day with be a Professional Sport and be an Olympic Event Smile

Clan-Skaven wrote:

Ok sorry I miss judged you , but try & have one possitive post once in awhile Wink

No need to get mushy now Smile

Xtreme - May 08, 2006 - 03:33 AM
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If your W/T/L are wrong, look through your games played and find the game that was entered incorrect and let the tournament organizer know about the error. It is something that can be fixed.

CyberHare - May 08, 2006 - 04:26 AM
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MightyQ I see the error. I'm not sure how that happened as the opposing game is correct Confused

I can't fix it from work so I'll take a look at it later tonight.

KarlLagerbottom - May 08, 2006 - 12:10 PM
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Clan-Skaven wrote:

Ok sorry I miss judged you , but try & have one possitive post once in awhile Wink

Rod

Look who's talking? How about a SOBER post once in a while....if I pay you YOUR $$$ back can you stop with the drunk ramblings? Rolling Eyes

KarlLagerbottom - May 08, 2006 - 12:11 PM
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::DUPLICATE MESSAGE DELETED::

Now maybe Redundant Rod will do the same. Smile

Spazzfist - May 08, 2006 - 01:27 PM
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If I pay you your money back KL, can you stop posting the same message twice? Wink

Clan_Skaven - May 08, 2006 - 02:19 PM
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KarlLagerbottom wrote:

Clan-Skaven wrote:

Ok sorry I miss judged you , but try & have one possitive post once in awhile Wink

Rod

Look who's talking... How about a SOBER post once in a while....if I pay you YOUR $$$ back can you stop with the drunk ramblings? Rolling Eyes

NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Clan_Skaven - May 08, 2006 - 02:20 PM
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KarlLagerbottom wrote:

Clan-Skaven wrote:

Ok sorry I miss judged you , but try & have one possitive post once in awhile Wink

Rod

Look who's talking... How about a SOBER post once in a while....if I pay you YOUR $$$ back can you stop with the drunk ramblings? Rolling Eyes

And to answer yer Double post ,.....

ya still NEVER! Laughing

Rod

KarlLagerbottom - May 08, 2006 - 02:47 PM
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Spazzfist wrote:

If I pay you your money back KL, can you stop posting the same message twice? Wink

Only if you pay me double...I say, I say...only if you pay me double, boy.
(In my best Foghorn Leghorn voice.)

P.S. Anyone else get the impression that Rod is campaigning for a job as staff writer for the NAF? Man...if DoubleSkulls paid him by the word he'd be rolling in the loot!

And dem theres British Pounds, Boy! ...I say, I say...British pounds.(More Foghorn Leghorn for your late afternoon enjoyment.)

CyberHare - May 08, 2006 - 02:48 PM
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Ok I've fixed MightyQ's games and added the games that Jay & Val played. MightyQ remember that you only have three NAF games in the system because your game 1 was against a non NAF coach. Jay did you play against VT-Doogie twice? You should have said something and we could have made a switch.

Rob I'm trying to find the spread sheet from DBIII so I can fix your DB results.

KarlLagerbottom - May 08, 2006 - 02:50 PM
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CyberHare wrote:

Cool...remember that I was the DB3 Champion...if you mail me the axe I will take some photos befitting the new and rightful champion!

Smile

EDIT: You know...I would be satisfied with getting rid of the double/double skulls on my werewolf against Benjamin's WoodElfs. Sad

Once is bad...twice is me getting Lagerbottomed!

Clan_Skaven - May 08, 2006 - 02:53 PM
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KarlLagerbottom wrote:

Spazzfist wrote:

If I pay you your money back KL, can you stop posting the same message twice? Wink

Look at my total posts as of tis current post I'm only one post more than you..... (but if Ol Double Skulls wants to pay me to post my ramblings I'm in! Wink

Rod

Clan_Skaven - May 08, 2006 - 02:55 PM
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Ok now I'm currently one post ahead of you lagerbottom!

CyberHare - May 08, 2006 - 02:58 PM
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KarlLagerbottom wrote:

Cool...remember that I was the DB3 Champion...if you mail me the axe I will take some photos befitting the new and rightful champion!

Uh yeah I'll get right on that Wink

This year at the DB I suspect the Toronto crowd will be going for blood. It's three years in a row we beat them out for the title and now we have the Canadian Open title in Montreal as well. I think I'll ask Zombie to bring it along to Death Bowl just for the taunting factor Laughing

Clan_Skaven - May 08, 2006 - 03:05 PM
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CyberHare wrote:

KarlLagerbottom wrote:

Cool...remember that I was the DB3 Champion...if you mail me the axe I will take some photos befitting the new and rightful champion!

Uh yeah I'll get right on that Wink

DB I???? we going back in time?

Don't you mean DB IV ?

Rod

CyberHare - May 08, 2006 - 03:14 PM
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This year at the DB, I suspect....

MightyQ - May 08, 2006 - 03:17 PM
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CyberHare wrote:

I thought I did mention that... Thanks for fixing it...

MightyQ - May 08, 2006 - 03:19 PM
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Clan-Skaven wrote:

Ok now I'm currently one post ahead of you lagerbottom!

I see now why they took the post count off the fumbbl site Smile

KarlLagerbottom - May 08, 2006 - 03:24 PM
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MightyQ wrote:

Clan-Skaven wrote:

Ok now I'm currently one post ahead of you lagerbottom!

I see now why they took the post count off the fumbbl site Smile

Dude...don't encourage them to remove the post count...I want one of the numbers that they track here to be accurate! Smile

Clan_Skaven - May 08, 2006 - 03:26 PM
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KarlLagerbottom wrote:

MightyQ wrote:

Clan-Skaven wrote:

Ok now I'm currently one post ahead of you lagerbottom!

I see now why they took the post count off the fumbbl site Smile

Dude...don't encourage them to remove the post count...I want one of the numbers that they track here to be accurate! Smile

Ding one point for Lagerbottom! Shocked

(Lagerbottom actualy got something other than a Woodenspoon!)

Rod

twist - May 08, 2006 - 05:18 PM
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CyberHare wrote:

Brian... Saying things like that won't make us wanna play halflings very much now, will it? Stop shooting yourself in the foot!

Spazzfist - May 08, 2006 - 06:00 PM
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KarlLagerbottom wrote:

Once is bad...twice is me getting Lagerbottomed!

Lagerbottomed! The new phrase for when you get screwed over in a game of BB! I love it! Laughing

KarlLagerbottom - May 08, 2006 - 06:19 PM
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Spazzfist wrote:

KarlLagerbottom wrote:

Once is bad...twice is me getting Lagerbottomed!

Lagerbottomed! The new phrase for when you get screwed over in a game of BB! I love it! Laughing

I wish it was new for me...I get Laggerbottomed almost every game I play. Sad

Clan_Skaven - May 08, 2006 - 06:44 PM
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KarlLagerbottom wrote:

Spazzfist wrote:

KarlLagerbottom wrote:

Once is bad...twice is me getting Lagerbottomed!

Lagerbottomed! The new phrase for when you get screwed over in a game of BB! I love it! Laughing

I wish it was new for me...I get Laggerbottomed almost every game I play. Sad

I got one worse , I was Lagerbottomed playing Lagerbottom at the C o Q tourney last year! (& he still wins da spoon despite defeating me) phew!

Rod

KarlLagerbottom - May 08, 2006 - 06:51 PM
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Take It!

Spazzfist - May 08, 2006 - 07:01 PM
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Well I would rather have the lagerbottoms you get Rob, with the wooden spoons, than the kind of Lagerbottom that Rod gets from too much Guiness!

Shocked

Spazz

Clan_Skaven - May 08, 2006 - 07:21 PM
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Spazzfist wrote:

Well I would rather have the lagerbottoms you get Rob, with the wooden spoons, than the kind of Lagerbottom that Rod gets from too much Guiness!

Shocked

Spazz

doesn't bother me at all!

vt_doogie - May 20, 2006 - 03:50 AM
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CyberHare wrote:

Ahh,
Jay and I haven't had too many games against each other and we enjoy playing against each other. One of the Philly guys had to go home so Jay stood in. I guess I could have played you instead, but me and Jay enjoyed the game. Smile

-VTDoogie