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Deathwing - Mar 27, 2007 - 12:16 PM
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From antipixi:





Some RL shots from (and of!) Glorian:








Some cartoon style from Jabo:








Comments welcome.
GalakStarscraper - Mar 27, 2007 - 12:44 PM
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      Deathwing wrote:
Comments welcome.


YES!!! ... I love it ... the pizza box team ... truely this will be the greatest team ever designed.

I see cheese at the line mixed with anchoive for foul appearance bonuses. Pepperoni as Blitzer as its the super star of the topping (at least according to latest USA poll of pizza establishments for sales) ... and I'm thinking Sausage as the Blocker (since nothing blocks arteries like good old sausage).

It has my vote!!!

Laughing

Okay ... that said .. Woody when you get a chance ... none of the image links are working my friend.

Galak
Lycos - Mar 27, 2007 - 02:09 PM
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I have to laugh with Galak here....... none of those links work Woody!
Deathwing - Mar 27, 2007 - 03:29 PM
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OK.. my bad.. I'll upload elsewhere and edit the links.. guess they were sitting in my cache. Embarassed
antipixi - Mar 28, 2007 - 07:04 AM
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I thought since my pictures (at the time of writing this currently not visible) are very quick and poor quality, I'd make a comment about the concept behind them.

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My concept

The idea is simple really and I am aware not entirely new. "Hairy humans" or at least ones wearing some fur. The idea being that they are then much more versatile than a pure humans in armour type team whilst still allowing them to be used as such.
 
By adding fur over the shoulders and a ragged leather loin cloth they can be used as human, chaos humans (often pleaded for and house ruled everywhere), as alternative Norse models or as marauders for the chaos pact team (as I'm sure you know a forerunner in the play-tested maybe teams for future officialdom).
 
For the miniatures (i.e. the sketches attached) I put closed helms and quite chunky armour along with the fur and loin cloth. I think that this gives them a more foreboding look than with open helm and also implies something hidden underneath (mutation?). I also though that a variety of different horns would be more interesting than just the standard cow horn helm seen in inaccurate viking pictures. So, goats horns, a unicorn horn maybe, no horn, etc. This would then mean that a models main body with a different horned helmet could cut production time and costs. (After all GW do it!) And finally, I thought that for the linemen (the less flamboyant types) ever so slightly longer arms giving a bit of a primitive look. A bit like the way orcs are made to look like powerful primates, but less defined and without the stoop to the shoulders, therefore giving the lineman a look of raw power but not without some intellect of the upright man.


I must admit to being partly inspired by Norse's avatar on the impact forum. Anyway, hopefully that puts the poor quality sketches into context. (After all they only took about 30 mins to draw.) Wink
Norse - Mar 28, 2007 - 08:17 AM
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      antipixi wrote:


I must admit to being partly inspired by Norse's avatar on the impact forum. Wink


shucks! Embarassed Cool
GalakStarscraper - Mar 28, 2007 - 08:44 AM
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Alex will be sending you in a team design based on the movie 300 ... he promised to have it in by the end of this week. Just wanted to let you know Jim (OMM) that you should be watching your email for it!!!!

Galak
antipixi - Mar 28, 2007 - 09:52 AM
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      GalakStarscraper wrote:
Alex will be sending you in a team design based on the movie 300 ... he promised to have it in by the end of this week. Just wanted to let you know Jim (OMM) that you should be watching your email for it!!!!

Galak


I saw the movie last night and spent time today thinking about how to convert such a team. If his ideas match the ones I've had then I might end up voting against myself! Rolling Eyes
Deathwing - Apr 02, 2007 - 09:51 AM
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From Mordredd:



From Alex:


Mordredd - Apr 02, 2007 - 12:29 PM
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I think that my concept needs a little fleshing out. I only had the time to do the two pictures (my pen-and-paper art skills aren't so good so the pictures above were done by modifying traces of comic book characters and are somewhat incomplete).

Anyway, here's what I wrote in my email to OMM by way of explanation, with the pictures added in.

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Basically it's an Amazon team in the same mould as the new Humans, but with a little less armour and no helmets (they've got to look AV7 to the Humans' AV8).

The Blitzers would be a little taller and much more muscle-bound than the rest, with some appropriately wild hair, to make them easily distinguishable from the rest (see picture). In other words your "alpha-male" Amazon-warrior bodybuilder stereotype.



The Throwers and Catchers could be less armoured than the rest of the team, as with the regular Human team; perhaps with bare feet and lower leg, and long free-flowing hair to add dynamism to their poses (see other picture).



Linewomen would have short spiked or braided hair; something that's hard to grab in the LOS scrum.

The positions would have similar poses to their Human team counterparts; so Blitzers charging, Catchers catching and so on. Again, to aid in distinguishing the positions.

All the players would have armour on at least thighs, chest and one shoulder. Blitzers and Linewomen would have armoured shin guards, solid BB boots (not 6" heels, not Goddamn *&%$! platformed hooker boots, but proper play a game of football without breaking your own ankle BB boots), some spiked gloves etc.

A link with the current Amazon team could be made by adding a small amount of suitable jewellery and good-luck charms; feathers and the like.

Anyway, I hope that's enough detail to illustrate the concept sufficiently for folks.

Darkson - Apr 03, 2007 - 11:56 AM
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Of the concepts, I like antipixi's the best, because:
a) I want a decent looking Chaos team
b) Much as Alex's Spartan's look good, I'd perfer a roman team.Wink
Axtklinge - Apr 04, 2007 - 12:03 PM
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Hi!
Here it goes my entry.
As the first NAF world cup I thought it might be interesting to do a thematic team based on the cultural background of the place where it all started...
The idea was to capture the mostly known skills each of the folks who live there are known for.
As such, the Scotish (in kilt) would be either the runners or the catchers (they were know for their hit&run attacks to romans...), the Irish would be blitzers (known for their fighting abilities), and the English knights would be the blockers (heavy armour).
The rest of the team might be peasant (lineman).
I hope you like it.

Cheers
Axt


Deathwing - Apr 11, 2007 - 12:35 PM
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Poll now running. Time is a constraint so the poll will run for one week only, finishing Weds 18th April.
Please note that (in the absence of any kind of consensus or clear winner) we won't necessarily go with the poll 'leader' on the 18th, this is not a definiative poll at this point.

Stating who you voted for below is strongly encouraged. Smile
nyarlathotep - Apr 11, 2007 - 01:07 PM
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It won't let me vote.

If it would have let me vote, I would have voted for Antipixi's team. 'cause they're nifty.
Deathwing - Apr 11, 2007 - 03:36 PM
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      nyarlathotep wrote:
It won't let me vote.

If it would have let me vote, I would have voted for Antipixi's team. 'cause they're nifty.


Modified the time the poll runs for... seems to work for me. Try again.
GalakStarscraper - Apr 11, 2007 - 08:09 PM
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      nyarlathotep wrote:
It won't let me vote.

If it would have let me vote, I would have voted for Antipixi's team. 'cause they're nifty.


Same here ... the poll won't let me vote.

Galak
Norse - Apr 12, 2007 - 01:47 AM
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so another NAF vote that's rigged then?? Rolling Eyes Wink
slup - Apr 12, 2007 - 02:33 AM
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I was able to wote but as developer i also have administrator privileges, might make a difference.
slup - Apr 12, 2007 - 02:36 AM
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It did make a difference!
It seems that only moderators (and higher) where allowed to vote in this forum.
I changed it to registrated members, so go ahead and vote all of you.
Lycos - Apr 12, 2007 - 05:35 AM
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Yep that works now. Several people have voted.
GalakStarscraper - Apr 12, 2007 - 05:59 AM
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Need an announcement on the front NAF page about this so that as many folks as possible see it .. please?

Voted for the Spartan team. I think its the best "new and different" concept in the bunch.

Galak
Lycos - Apr 12, 2007 - 01:02 PM
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So did I Galak and I spoke to Woody on the phone just an hour ago and he was going to do a few NAF bits tonight. (I must stress, he has been working incredibly long hours last few weeks).
Lychanthrope - Apr 12, 2007 - 03:37 PM
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Voted Spartans. Amazons and Norse were tempting, but I really like the different look of the Spartans. They would instantly be my human team of choice. I'd even buy, paint, and play them! Smile
Podfrey - Apr 13, 2007 - 04:39 AM
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Probably too late, but I think that the Slann team would be a great set of minis:

http://www.talkbloodbowl.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=21443&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Especially if modelled on the Jaguar Warrior, Crocodile Warrior, Eagle Warrior, etc imagary from Mayan/Aztec/Inca civilisations and WFB 3rd Ed.

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As it is, I voted for the Celtic themed team, as I think it would be a truly unique momento to own a team based on the cultural past of the host nation.
Rab - Apr 13, 2007 - 05:05 AM
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Well.... in the end it had to be antipixi's.

I also loved the spartan imagery, but it didn't feel quite BloodBowl enough for me for some reason.

Dammit, I've already got a half-painted norse team, but if a team came out that looked like Norse's avatar I'd buy them without a second thought. Rolling Eyes
Dave - Apr 13, 2007 - 05:56 AM
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had to be the spartan's
that's quite different from anything already available
Doubleskulls - Apr 13, 2007 - 09:57 AM
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I personally wouldn't want Mordredd's idea as Shadowforge already produce a big range of female minis (Nuns, "Bunnies" even Orcs & Dark Elves) so it feels like that area is a bit saturated TBH
DeathJester - Apr 14, 2007 - 08:31 AM
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Voted for the cartoon style, although Iam suprised no one submitted a Slann concept - it would have been a perfect way of getting this team!!
Lycos - Apr 14, 2007 - 10:30 AM
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      DeathJester wrote:
although I am suprised no one submitted a Slann concept


I am not. Look at it from GW's side. If the other gamers or companies release figs for a team that GW havent even sanctioned yet, then why would they bother? Unlike some of our community, I openly accept and am happy with the notion that this is GW's game, they have a need to make a profit and if lots of people make Slaan figs, then who would buy GW's when they release them?
Until GW identify that they would see a return on the investment into new figs, then they have no need to make a team official. If lots of people/companies then make Slann figs, if I were GW, I would not make them official.

It's a game to us, but it's a business to them.
Darkson - Apr 14, 2007 - 03:35 PM
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Antipixi's Chaos (I refuse to sanction the idea of them as Norse Wink ).
That much closer to how a Chaos team should look (to my eyes).
GalakStarscraper - Apr 14, 2007 - 06:25 PM
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      Lycos wrote:
[Look at it from GW's side. If the other gamers or companies release figs for a team that GW havent even sanctioned yet, then why would they bother?
Agreed.

Galak
Norse - Apr 16, 2007 - 02:04 AM
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the only other comment I would make is why would you want models for a team which is not yet official..

at least with alternative humans (whether they are spartans, celts, romans, cartoony style or anything else) they will get used..

what use is a frog team without official rules? how many leagues allow experimental rosters to run along side official teams??

just one guy's opinion of course..

and as someone who is responsible for the way some miniatures look, I am a little concerned that Jabo's sketches may not translate well into pewter.. they are great sketches to be sure, but do you really want miniatures which are that out of proportion?? they look more suited to a Pixar movie about retired super-heroes to me.. Rolling Eyes
Geggster - Apr 16, 2007 - 06:02 AM
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If we were voting for best artist - it would be Jabo for sure. They are terrific drawings although I'd agree with Norse that they look a bit "Incredibles"....

But for which team I'd like the see modelled the most, it has to be Antipixi's.
dwarfcoach - Apr 16, 2007 - 06:50 AM
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Yep, there're the ones I voted for. To be honest I'd love to see a team scuplted in Jabo-style but as mentioned previously far too easy to make them look ridicules. Shame that Jabo can't scuplt the models as well, I'd have alot more faith in them retaining the look of the sketches...
Mordredd - Apr 16, 2007 - 07:48 AM
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I think that Jabo's cartoon players would sculpt up quite well. But I feel that the style would grate harshly with the other BB/FF figures out there, plus when it comes down to it they're just not at all 'blood bowly' to my eyes.

      Doubleskulls wrote:
I personally wouldn't want Mordredd's idea as Shadowforge already produce a big range of female minis (Nuns, "Bunnies" even Orcs & Dark Elves) so it feels like that area is a bit saturated TBH
There are a lot of different teams but there's not much range (just a slight variation on a theme). Whilst they could be used as Amazons, by virtue of being female, none of them are Amazonian in style or character.
Ronnie - Apr 16, 2007 - 08:08 AM
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i love the Spartans i think that will make a great Norse/Human team
Panico - Apr 16, 2007 - 09:30 AM
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IMO, it's great for the purpose the Axtklinge's British/Celtic idea...

but it seems I'm one of the few thinking that way...
Geggster - Apr 16, 2007 - 10:54 AM
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      Mordredd wrote:
]There are a lot of different teams but there's not much range (just a slight variation on a theme). Whilst they could be used as Amazons, by virtue of being female, none of them are Amazonian in style or character.


Agree with Mordredd, there. The SF minis all seem to be playing with major cleavage and boots normally reserved for hookers (so I am told).

A female team, other than amazons, that might conceivably be playing the game has a gap in the market.

As long as they have pendulous breasts, of course. Good to see that Mordredd's concept art hasn't forgotten those! Laughing

Still backing the Norse/Chaos/Chaos Humans/Marauders though for the versatility, the art and the concept (the conceptual text is very well thought out).
antipixi - Apr 16, 2007 - 12:06 PM
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      Geggster wrote:

As long as they have pendulous breasts, of course. Good to see that Mordredd's concept art hasn't forgotten those! Laughing


I'm with you on this one! Razz Hubba hubba!

      Geggster wrote:

Still backing the Norse/Chaos/Chaos Humans/Marauders though for the versatility, the art and the concept (the conceptual text is very well thought out).


That's very nice of you to say so. Very Happy
JABO - Apr 18, 2007 - 07:43 AM
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I think we´re looking for sketches, (so we can make modifications in the pictures). I think my pictures are in correct size, and its possible to do this desings in green, we only had to look at rackham miniatures. (I dont know who make the green) I think its possible to do something a little different that all pre existing minis. My concept represents a simply rugby team, whit another style. Elfic-human team Very Happy

Sorry for my horrible english.
Pako - Apr 18, 2007 - 09:18 AM
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I think the probem to translate the conceptual sketches to a 3Dgreen is not the general fashion or style of the miniature, nor the amount of little details on it. His humas are very clear and simpy, that' why I can no see any problem to do this miniatures.

I'm sure that the Jabo's minis will be done perfectly.
JABO - Apr 20, 2007 - 01:35 AM
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I win?? Very Happy
Norse - Apr 20, 2007 - 02:40 AM
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Congrats Jabo, I hope my fears about translating these to pewter are misplaced...

many of the entries were very good and it may be that some of them will still find the light of day eventually.. Wink
GalakStarscraper - Apr 20, 2007 - 06:52 AM
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Yeah Jabo ... it would appear you do win. One thing we need then pretty quickly as the time needed to sculpt and cast is rapidly vanishing. We need a 5th sketch for a Catcher as the commission was for 5 pieces. So can you create a Catcher sketch please (assuming Deathwing agrees that you have won).

The sculptor really needs to start work by May 1st if we want to have a long enough timeline to get these all sculpted and cast up.

And like Ramsay ... I hope they come out okay.

Galak
Deathwing - Apr 20, 2007 - 01:04 PM
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Well I think the vote was clear enough. It may be a little bit of a controversial choice, but these will be unique.. it's certainly pushing the boundaries of what we've seen before.
Thanks again to all the entrants for their time and efforts, I hope that some of the others do indeed see the light of day eventually!
(As a personal aside, I think it's cool to be producing something as a limited one off that wouldn't necessarily be viable on a strictly commercial basis.)
Thanks to all who voted as well.
I'll mail all the relevent parties and get the wheels in motion. I'm quite excited about how these will turn out!
Cheers.
Old_Man_Monkey - May 22, 2007 - 08:41 PM
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I understand that the sculptor has indeed begun work on these figures - artwork however is still needed for two (2) figures. I trust that this will happen quickly and work can continue on these figs... please let the staff know if there is any assistance we can lend to this process. Thanks!
JABO - May 23, 2007 - 09:28 AM
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the catcher, tomorrow, the blitzer





GalakStarscraper - May 24, 2007 - 05:03 PM
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Just curious to get the NAF member's reaction. Only one of the Blitzers can be sculpted. Which do you like better the one at the bottom of Jabo's last post or the one on the far right of the first row of NAF WORDL CUP PRIZE team picture?

Galak
juergen - May 25, 2007 - 12:24 AM
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I like the last one (#4 on the shoulder) because he's more dynamic. But I would love to see the bold head of him (from #5)
Dave - May 25, 2007 - 12:48 AM
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I totally agree with Juergen ..
PTT69 - May 25, 2007 - 07:41 AM
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#4 is cooler than #5.

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