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Dave - Aug 22, 2013 - 03:24 PM
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Hi All,

This post will be updated over the coming weeks with questions and answers. This thread is to help understand the process of the World Cup selection venue and clarify areas were potential bidders have questions.

Q; Can a country put forward more than one bid or must the country decide first which bid gets promoted?
A; More than one bid from a country is possible. The principle behind the World Cup is to bring leagues and communities together.

Q; Will there be / can there be assistance with funding from the NAF committee?
A; The WC should break even as close as possible, we dont want to see "profits". But we accept that leagues or clubs dont have the required funding to book venues large enough in advance or lay down a deposit. This is one of the reasons the NAF keeps a sizable balance to help with just this procedure. If required, the NAF will work with the bid team.

Q; Why is the decision of the final venue only by 30 people? Why do not all the members have a vote?
A; The committee who decide are made up of members from all over the world who have been organizers and travelers of/too big events. These members know what to look for in the bids, understand the travel arrangements and the feeding of players etc. Votes cast by members who dont understand or appreciate what is involved in such a large event could in theory overlook the best bid.

Q; Do you have any proof this theory of venue selection works?
A; Well yes. The first WC was a committee lead decision, we were going in to the unknown. For WC2 we used this process and it was an overwhelming success. In fact, others have replicated the process it was so successful.

Q; Will the bids be made public so they can be discussed on here before the committee go away to make the final decision?
A; The planned process is that we will announce which bids are in but not all the final detail. The selection committee will all have extensive documentation as they did last time.

Q; How much control over the rule set will the hosts have?
A; Effectively, none. The rules will be the same as previous WC's with the 9 games, 3 x 3 days. The hosts will be exactly that but they will "run the event", the NAF will work with you and provide help and guidance but the hosts will provide refs and admin teams.
More to follow as we go.
Grumbledook - Aug 23, 2013 - 03:07 AM
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Will the bids be made public so they can be discussed on here before the committee go away to make the final decision?
sann0638 - Aug 23, 2013 - 05:09 AM
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Good question. Assume you have seen Lycos's post: http://member.thenaf.net/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=6065

The linked post talks about a Q&A process for the bids, but I don't know if that will be public or private (I would guess private).
Lycos - Oct 10, 2013 - 11:49 AM
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Today is the cut off day and we have, so far, five excellent bids in. I will update tomorrow after the end of today but all five bid teams have done some very impressive work
sann0638 - Oct 11, 2013 - 06:21 AM
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Great!
Grumbledook - Oct 11, 2013 - 11:45 AM
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Cool, looking forward to seeing them!
goldbaek - Oct 15, 2013 - 02:55 PM
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      Grumbledook wrote:
Cool, looking forward to seeing them!

+1
Lycos - Oct 16, 2013 - 03:38 PM
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Right, the bids are in, we need to create a document with them all in that can emailed out and then a questions and answer process will follow. I confess work created an issue last 36 hours or so but all resolved and back on the case, I can only apologise for that.

I am in consultation as to the timing of the announcement re the cities/countries that have put them forward.
Lycos - Oct 24, 2013 - 01:07 PM
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I thought it would be good to let you know the 5 bids that are in. I have listed them in alphabetical order and they are of course a city within each of these countries. They are all terrific bids, some hard work has gone in to every one of them and for that reason, we may push back the dates for voting and questions by 7 or 14 days.

The official document, which will be made public when the voting is done, is 84 pages long. 84 pages!!!! It is important after so much work that we need to cover it correctly. We are not set on moving the date but it is only fair to all the teams to put all this work in.

Bids in;
Australia
Belgium
Denmark
Italy
Spain
Lucy - Oct 25, 2013 - 03:18 AM
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I'm surprised the french didn't enter a bid.
I heard them talking and gathering info about it.

Nice list though!

Lucy
Maitre_tactac - Oct 25, 2013 - 06:19 AM
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Yeah Lucy
I'm a bit frustrated and sad about it, but despite a lot of time and efforts spend on the subject, we haven't been able to build in a satisfactory organisation.

Pedro
Kithor - Oct 29, 2013 - 03:49 PM
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Great to see the ongoing developments here.

Will Belgium still be on the list as they also host the EB2014 now?

For Australia: I fear it will be difficult to form a lot of teams from Europe to travel around the world for Bloodbowl....


It would be definatelly a nice option to compare a tournament with holiday. So two years ahead should be long enough to discuss this with the misses Wink Rolling Eyes
orcreich - Nov 03, 2013 - 08:05 AM
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      Dave wrote:

Q; How much control over the rule set will the hosts have?
A; Effectively, none. The rules will be the same as previous WC's with the 9 games, 3 x 3 days. The hosts will be exactly that but they will "run the event", the NAF will work with you and provide help and guidance but the hosts will provide refs and admin teams.
More to follow as we go.


So, what about WC2015 ruleset? The same as WC2011?

TV1100, , before match 1 3 normal skills, before match 4 1 normal and 1 double, before match 7 1 normal and 1 double?

Thanks Smile
Gaixo - Nov 03, 2013 - 09:10 AM
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Has any thought been given to introducing tiers to encourage more diversity in team type? Or would that be considered counter to the intent of the tournament?
babass - Nov 04, 2013 - 12:11 AM
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i think the ruleset would be up to the organizers.
and organizers should be designed first before talking about the ruleset.
Grumbledook - Nov 04, 2013 - 08:29 AM
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      Gaixo wrote:
Has any thought been given to introducing tiers to encourage more diversity in team type? Or would that be considered counter to the intent of the tournament?


I would like that, same with Eurobowl / Europen and NAFC as well. I know there are those who opposed to this, so hopefully wider community discussion and input will take place.
Pako - Nov 06, 2013 - 07:48 AM
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This is not precisely a question but a suggestion.

Did you consider to establish an "a priori" ranking document in which candidate venues could be objectively evaluated?

Starting from n number of candidate venues, NAF could apply an objective merits scale to reduce candidates to two finalists, that could be evaluated in other terms difficult to evaluate objectively.

Setting up different categories, and relative benefits and merits from the selected comitee, and being published BEFORE the venue bid, NAF would assure the fairest way to select WC venue (i.e. in terms of reducing subjective valorization).

As an incomplete example:

      Quote:
1.VENUE

1.1 Modernity of facilities: Built before 2000 (5 pts), Built 2001-2005 (10 pts), Built 2006-2010 (15 pts), Built 2011+ (20 pts)
1.2 Capacity: Up to 200 (1 pt), 201-300 (5pts), 301-500 (10 pts), 501-700 (20 pts), 701+ (25 pts)
1.3 Commodities: Bar (+15 pts), Nursery (+5 pts)
1.4 ...

2. HOSTING

2.1 Accomodation: Not Provided (0 pts), Agreement with local Hotels (75-150 €/night) (5 pts), Agreement with local Hotels (25-150 €/night) (10 pts), Free accomodation (20 pts).
2.2 Meals: Not provided (0 pts), Cold Catering (5 pts), Warm Catering (10 pts), Local Restaurants Accomodation (15 pts), Dinner Included (+10 pts)
2.3 Transport: Venue 20 km from Hotel (5 pts), Venue 10 km from Hotel (10 pts), Venue Less than 5 km from Hotel (20 pts) Venue and Accomodation in the same place (40 pts).
2.4 ...

3. ...


This would improve WC selection in different ways:

a) Reducing pressure over the selection comitee (they will work in the pre-bidding process, setting up the document)
b) Reducing human effort in upcoming editions (in terms of precisely evaluating each bid)
c) Increase transparency (bid could be public, comitee could be public as well)
d) Reducing candidates possible concerns about decissions made
Lucy - Nov 06, 2013 - 09:28 AM
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Why does a facility get bonus points for being build in the recent past?

I think even a list like this would provoke lots of discussion. I don't actually agree with point 2 as well. We had deals with hotels, but nobody used them.
So, this could mean that a city with excellent cheap options but no deal would get no points, but a city with few options but an expensive deal they have with a hotel would get bonus points.....

I would not recommend a list like this...... I think.

Lucy
Pako - Nov 07, 2013 - 01:55 AM
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Dear Lucy,

As it was an example, I found quite useless to analyze it into detail.

The idea is that:

- Pick 30 (or whatever number) people. (Ideally, let players decide who could be the best representants)
- Let them decide an "a priori" ranking document
- Publish ranking, publish comitee composition
- Rank bids following a consensus document (We could assume it would be far more improved than couple examples I listed in 5 min.)
- Pick two finalists as possible NAF WC venue

Cannot imagine how an objective process could be critisized as much as using a secret comitee that doesn't need to argument their decission, just pick up the most amusing option in their opinion, that would never be known (their identities) and that is subjected to president's also subjective opinion of who is the best person to decide. As an example, I was NOT asked to participate in this decission, even being voted by a respectable number of NAF members. Guess I could be a fair option to include all these people opinions, as Lycos is representing in other way.

Don't really get this. Honestly.
Loki - Nov 07, 2013 - 03:14 AM
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Cannot imagine how an objective process could be critisized as much as using a secret comitee that doesn't need to argument their decission, just pick up the most amusing option in their opinion, that would never be known (their identities) and that is subjected to president's also subjective opinion of who is the best person to decide. As an example, I was NOT asked to participate in this decission, even being voted by a respectable number of NAF members. Guess I could be a fair option to include all these people opinions, as Lycos is representing in other way.

Don't really get this. Honestly.


Some members of the Bloodbowl community do not seem able to avoid becoming overemotional in their dealings with the rest of the community. Rather than looking at the 'secret committee' as some conspiracy or personality cult you need to also factor in that anonymity allows the people involved to make a decision free of fear of being harassed by a vocal minority.

Your description of the process above seems quite close to a bidding process that would be used for standard commercial or business practices. Normally the people involved in a process like this have some level of compensation for their work and are unlikely to have to face the bidders in a personal arena where they may be asked 'so did you vote for or against my proposal?'. I for one am not involved in any way currently. In the future I would happily have my name published and ‘work for free’ in the bids process but not all would.
Pako - Nov 07, 2013 - 08:25 AM
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Precisely I guess this is one of the points stressed from my topics:

To avoid the necessity of keep a comitee identities secret to save them from critisizing.

Once you set up an objective ranking, which is barely independent of personal management (of comitee), you are indeed eliminating the pressure over this comitee.

Would be difficult to set up this document, but this is a work that is needed to do just once. And so many NAF collaborators are happy to invest time in to promote changes.

What I find our quite perturbing is to be involved personally in terms of "overemotional" or "conspiracy". I guess most of decent people (no matter their particular thoughts about NAF) would agree that as more public, transparent and objective a process is, the better is indeed. And this is truly from governments to clubs, including NAF.

Don't really get the point to be accused time by time to distrust NAF to ask for things that are merely rights out of discussion in ANY other part of a human being life.

You're free to not be interested in such matters, as you shouldn't be interested in how much UK invests in research, for example. But to be rude with others that would make things different is not only not fair, but quite offensive, sir.

This was previously pointed out so many times, I only presented an idea in a constructive, polite way to be considered because I truly thing it could reduce pressure from venue comitee and potential arguments from discarded venues.
Loki - Nov 07, 2013 - 09:48 AM
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      Pako wrote:

What I find our quite perturbing is to be involved personally in terms of "overemotional" or "conspiracy". I guess most of decent people (no matter their particular thoughts about NAF) would agree that as more public, transparent and objective a process is, the better is indeed. And this is truly from governments to clubs, including NAF.
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I did not accuse you of being "overemotional" you have taken upon yourself to suggest that and it is the words and phrases that you used that prompted me to use the phase "conspriacy" as this what your posts seem to suggest that there is some unspoken agend to do something by a group - which is by its definition a conspiracy.

I don't know if it is a translation issue or not but you seem to have taken general statements very personally while in your own postings make what would seem to be personal attacks on both specific NAF members and the NAF in general, 'sir'.
Oventa - Nov 07, 2013 - 10:04 AM
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Hi pako,
I understand your wish for more transparency and openness.
I personallzy also don't think it would be needed to hide identities, as I think noone should have a problem with that.
I think it would be sufficient if just the vote would be secret.

But tackling your request with a list of objective criteria will not work to solve this from my perspective.
The sites will be so unique and so different that it will never fit into such a scheme.
And to check if a site has taken care of the obvious ( place, food, accommodation) does not require a complex catalog.
It would be a waste of energy from my perspective.
Hence I also don't see much value in your specific proposal.

Cheers
Oventa
beaso - Nov 10, 2013 - 06:24 PM
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I think the panel should be named but not their votes.

However they should not be named until after the decision has been made to prevent any FIFA style corruption so to speak!!!!!

This organisation has had enough problems recently so some degree of transparency to show that this has been done properly is needed.
rmilsom - Nov 22, 2013 - 12:37 PM
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      beaso wrote:
I think the panel should be named but not their votes.

However they should not be named until after the decision has been made to prevent any FIFA style corruption so to speak!!!!!

This organisation has had enough problems recently so some degree of transparency to show that this has been done properly is needed.



I don't see why the panels votes shouldn't be included, the more transparency the better, I cant see the logic in that.

I agree with everything else you said though.
toriel - Nov 23, 2013 - 09:00 AM
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22 of november is over. We have a winner??? Very Happy
Notorious_jtb - Nov 23, 2013 - 11:23 AM
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toriel, the bids were big, see Lycos' comment from a little while ago on page 1 of this thread.

      Lycos wrote:
I thought it would be good to let you know the 5 bids that are in. I have listed them in alphabetical order and they are of course a city within each of these countries. They are all terrific bids, some hard work has gone in to every one of them and for that reason, we may push back the dates for voting and questions by 7 or 14 days.


Lycos - Nov 23, 2013 - 11:45 AM
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I did push the date back to the 30th - But - I have most of the votes in so I will ping off a few emails and see if I can get them all in a bit quicker.

Just about all the voting team said it was a fair bit to get through and in my personal opinion, it is respectful to all the bid teams for their efforts to be fully considered.
Rando - Nov 24, 2013 - 04:10 PM
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I don't mind that the date was moved, but I was going to ask the same question as you toriel ... you simply beat me to it!

We last heard on October 24th that the final date might be moved 7 or 14 days down the road. I don't mind waiting but the wait is worse not knowing how long you have to wait Smile
Notorious_jtb - Nov 25, 2013 - 06:47 AM
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      Rando wrote:
I don't mind that the date was moved, but I was going to ask the same question as you toriel ... you simply beat me to it!

We last heard on October 24th that the final date might be moved 7 or 14 days down the road. I don't mind waiting but the wait is worse not knowing how long you have to wait Smile


I think I assumed it was 7-14 days from the deadline of the 23 Nov Smile But yeah, always nice to know.
Daggers - Nov 26, 2013 - 09:14 AM
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      Oventa wrote:
Hi pako,
I understand your wish for more transparency and openness.
I personallzy also don't think it would be needed to hide identities, as I think noone should have a problem with that.
I think it would be sufficient if just the vote would be secret.
But tackling your request with a list of objective criteria will not work to solve this from my perspective.
The sites will be so unique and so different that it will never fit into such a scheme.
And to check if a site has taken care of the obvious ( place, food, accommodation) does not require a complex catalog.
It would be a waste of energy from my perspective.
Hence I also don't see much value in your specific proposal.
Cheers
Oventa

      rmilsom wrote:
      beaso wrote:
I think the panel should be named but not their votes.
However they should not be named until after the decision has been made to prevent any FIFA style corruption so to speak!!!!!
This organisation has had enough problems recently so some degree of transparency to show that this has been done properly is needed.


I don't see why the panels votes shouldn't be included, the more transparency the better, I cant see the logic in that.
I agree with everything else you said though.

Listing the voting members would be fine I think. But I do think it should be done after the votes have been tallied and the winner announced. I am not accusing anyone, but I do see people trying to “convince” all the voters to bid for them (either politely or not), and this would save the voters some unwanted harassment. But as for the votes themselves, I don’t think the votes of each person should be listed, but the totals for each bid should be, so people can see how the votes were broken down. Also, I am not sure, but will the general public get to see the bids after the winner is announced.
MrNuffle - Dec 01, 2013 - 05:59 AM
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      Lycos wrote:
I did push the date back to the 30th - But - I have most of the votes in so I will ping off a few emails and see if I can get them all in a bit quicker.

Just about all the voting team said it was a fair bit to get through and in my personal opinion, it is respectful to all the bid teams for their efforts to be fully considered.


Twiddles thumbs ....
toriel - Dec 01, 2013 - 07:48 AM
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And the winner is........
Lycos - Dec 01, 2013 - 07:51 AM
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Later today. I'm just chasing up 2 votes - although I admit they will not affect the result, we have a clear winner.
Out of respect, I want to email the other bidders to let them know, four teams will be disappointed and I think its polite to let them know.
Glowworm - Dec 03, 2013 - 07:02 AM
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Im surprised to read that at least a "suggested" rule set is not involved in the bidding process, can I ask why something as basic as this is not considered in the process before votes are cast?

please don't think this is a criticism, just find it strange that we (as a community) can agree to the location of our largest event without knowing if we have a solid rule set...( More doubles for stunties!!)
sann0638 - Dec 03, 2013 - 07:05 AM
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From p1:
Q; How much control over the rule set will the hosts have?
A; Effectively, none. The rules will be the same as previous WC's with the 9 games, 3 x 3 days. The hosts will be exactly that but they will "run the event", the NAF will work with you and provide help and guidance but the hosts will provide refs and admin teams.
Grumbledook - Dec 03, 2013 - 09:13 AM
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      glowworm wrote:
Im surprised to read that at least a "suggested" rule set is not involved in the bidding process, can I ask why something as basic as this is not considered in the process before votes are cast?

please don't think this is a criticism, just find it strange that we (as a community) can agree to the location of our largest event without knowing if we have a solid rule set...( More doubles for stunties!!)


I also would prefer the flagship events to have a more rounded tournament ruleset. Over 10 years of the same familiar few races always being dominant got really stale for me.

The first half of the Nurgle vs Vampire game I had vs Geggster at Thrudball this year was one of the best and most interesting games I've ever played. Throwing up tactical situations that you don't normally get to deal with when using more conventional teams.

I'd love to see the NAF do a gauge of public opinion on this.
Joemanji - Dec 03, 2013 - 09:40 AM
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I agree with that in principle Jon, but I'm not sure the WC is the place for anything but vanilla rules. Rules like Monkeybowl or Ironmanj are probably better / more interesting that the WC rules, but I'm not sure they are friendly to coaches who play once every four years.
Grumbledook - Dec 03, 2013 - 11:17 AM
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That was always the reason for not changing the Blood Bowl rules when it was at warhammer world which made more sense as WW attracted different users.

I don't think that is the case any more and I'd argue that those coaches willing to travel to another country to attend a 3 day world cup event are more than capable of adapting to some different roster rules. Also with it being a team event, even if there are some infrequent players, I'm sure their team mates would help them out before the event if they needed it. (not that I think they would)

Ironmanj and Monkeybowl (iirc) are also far more complex than than what's used at Thrudd for example as well. Just placing some restrictions on top of the existing rules, rather than going for something that introduces a point spend system and putting skills into new tiers. There were a few first time attendees at Thrudd this year and no one seemed to struggle with the rules.

TV120 makes pricier teams like Nurgle and High Elves more viable and letting some (or all) teams put 2 skills on players does as well, neither of which I would say any Blood Bowl player would struggle with. If you don't place any restriction on the races like at Thrudd then they are still vanilla rules, not that I see anything complicated with saying this race can put 2 skills on x number of players. They are more straight forward than recording SPP, winnings and rolling for skills as well. Wood Elves and Undead would still be stronger but I'd like to think we would see a bit more variation, especially from the more casual teams who aren't going there looking to challenge at the top end.

Mind you teams at the previous world cups worked out at around TV130 after all the skills were added? Should a rules change get considered then further discussion on what changes could take place, but starting with something like the rules above and just adding 3 more skills on day 3 seems straight forward enough to me.

It would also change the dynamic a bit at the top end too as you have different challenges to deal with when faced with players like 2 skill wardancers and a block sure hands ghoul etc. May also see more variation in skills taken between coaches who do take a more popular race as well, so even if you do face the same opposition a few times, there is a bit more variation.

So yeah, I don't think that argument holds water ;]

If a survey of potential world cup attendees wanted to stick with the previous format then fine, but I'd rather that than we stick with what's gone before without asking.

So that's my case laid out, if anyone in charge of the rules wishes to use parts of that or wants my input then go right ahead! If a poll is taken I'd like there to be cases put forward for each side as well to make sure everyone is considering both sides. As I'm pro change there may be a case for sticking that I've not considered for example.
Gaixo - Dec 03, 2013 - 11:43 AM
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I think it would be dramatically more interesting if you were to enforce tier restrictions on the teams. As it stands, the world's best halfling coach (for instance) might very well be discouraged from bringing his preferred race because it would negatively impact his team.

I would like to see a system in which every team had to have a coach representing a lower-tier (by which I basically mean "stunty") team. Maybe make it so another slot had to be a mid-tier team and leave the rest for anything goes.

It's difficult to believe that having 5 races account for almost 50% of the teams is really the most entertaining or satisfying format possible.
txapo - Dec 03, 2013 - 12:08 PM
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I had an idea on that prob in order to avoid 66 WE again as in Amsterdam: 4 tiers

Each team of 6 players has 18-19 points to buy their teams.

Tier 1 teams: WE SK DW UN 4 points
Tier 2 teams 3 ponts
Tier 3 teams (nurgle, chaos, vamps, underworld,...) 2 poins
Tier 4 teams (stunties) 1 point

Doing so you obly to somehow buy tier 1 teams for example a team could take sk UN DW and WE but only if goes with a tier 3 team and a stuntie

What do you think on my idea?
Gaixo - Dec 03, 2013 - 01:01 PM
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I think that's great!

I'm not sure that those tiers are exactly right, but maybe there's an objective way to determine them? LRB6 winning percentage or the like?
Grumbledook - Dec 03, 2013 - 01:56 PM
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Some people are going to find it hard to make a team up, if you start then restricting too much what races they can play beyond no duplicates it's going to upset some people. This would effectively mean someone on a team is going to have to have to use a poorer race. Attending the world cup isn't going to be that cheap for a lot of people, if you make it harder for them to get a race they want to play as well it could result in them not going at all.

I think a softer incentive by making more races competitive will be better received and less restrictive. It also has the opposite effect that as the poorer races become more competitive, their team mates are less likely to be put off by them playing such a race.
SpecialOne - Dec 03, 2013 - 02:12 PM
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I like the fact that it is the "raw" teams that face off. No tiers, no nothing. Just the coaches battling it out, with the best teams of the game. I for one play Lizardmen, and I still find it interesting to play the woodies, even though it is not a good matchup for me in this kind of turney. By introducing tier, one could force some players into playing a race they don't play that much, and for an event of this magnitude AND price, I would like to play a team I feel good about.
DukeJan - Dec 03, 2013 - 02:35 PM
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Why not: All teams TV 130: no stats increases, minimum 100/110 TV spent on basic roster (Players/RR/FF/Staff). Every sixth skill may be a double. This should level the playing field for most races
Pipey - Dec 03, 2013 - 02:39 PM
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Regarding the rules - the best way would be for the organisers to have a discussion with the TD (more than likely next tenure from May 2014) to decide what form they'll take.
kfoged - Dec 04, 2013 - 12:00 AM
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      DukeJan wrote:
Why not: All teams TV 130: no stats increases, minimum 100/110 TV spent on basic roster (Players/RR/FF/Staff). Every sixth skill may be a double. This should level the playing field for most races


Say hallo to Zon's with 13 players and 10-12 skills Smile
Joemanji - Dec 04, 2013 - 01:39 AM
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Or all-Guard Dwarfs.
Purplegoo - Dec 04, 2013 - 02:25 AM
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If I could ask for one thing for Blood Bowl Christmas, it would be for people to stop trying to ‘improve’ the rulesets of flagship events.

This is the World Cup we’re talking about, the World Cup. From the bottom table to the top, there are compelling reasons why a straight forward, vanilla ruleset is best. Of course, we are all marking Italy 2015 in our calendars because we want a big party celebrating our game and we want to meet and share a beer with our friends from far away we seldom see, but we’re also there to play 9 games of BB, so the rules are important.

Joe’s right, these flagship events (World Cups, Majors) attract several casual players that don’t play a lot of BB the rest of the year. Whilst we should not insult their intelligence and imply tiered rules are too complicated for them, simple, well understood rules mean these coaches are on as level a playing field as possible with more active coaches before a die is rolled. The NAF has a duty of care to maintain a certain level of quality in these events (on and off the board), and these casual players should be welcomed with the warming embrace of familiarity, not greeted with something they don’t recognise. Let me tell you, even great coaches can miscalculate when the rulesets get too wacky. I remember at the last Ironmanj (where things got a bit mad), half of the field wanted to have their roster back again at the end of day one. That’s not good over three days.

In the middle: this is a clash of Blood Bowling cultures. At the Eurobowl every year (and those rules are, rightly, quite vanilla) we see that every nation has a slightly different take on the rules. Eyebrows are routinely raised every year at opposing skill and race choices. Denmark turned up (quite seriously) with Vampires. If you make the WC a vast paper exercise before you turn up, everyone is going to be slightly better or worse off than the next guy. Jon, we have at the very least one tournament a month in the UK where tiers /balance are big bits of the rules, and in every tournament something is still ‘best’. We see a high percentage of (for instance) Humans one week, or Slann the next, or whatever. And that is just another tournament, you’d better believe at a World Cup people would give it more thought. You’d probably just replace your Undead dominance with something else. You've just seen in the previous posts how even simple, apparently variety encouraging, rules can be reduced to least resistance in seconds.

At the top: Well, how often do you get to play against the best in the world? On the rare occasions I get to sit down eye to eye with Fischerking, with Titouch, with Flix (to name but three, other excellent quality nerds are available), I want the big boys with the big toys. If the World Cup comes down to two great teams facing off in game nine, the romance and gravitas of the situation surely screams that highly ranked (if you like that kind of thing), high quality coaches and teams square off for the marbles. There would be something quite underwhelming about Tripleskulls’ Nurgle vs. Yena’s Goblins on table one, brought together in the name of variety, wouldn’t there?

In short, the bigger the tournament, the more tight, vanilla control should be put on the ruleset. Jon, you have a huge variety of tournaments on your doorstep with hugely varied rules. It is impossible (I think) for you to get jaded with all of that. When you’ve got people paying hundreds of pounds travelling from the four corners of the Blood Bowling planet, that is the time for simplicity.

In my humble opinion, of course.
DukeJan - Dec 04, 2013 - 03:22 AM
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      kfoged wrote:
      DukeJan wrote:
Why not: All teams TV 130: no stats increases, minimum 100/110 TV spent on basic roster (Players/RR/FF/Staff). Every sixth skill may be a double. This should level the playing field for most races


Say hallo to Zon's with 13 players and 10-12 skills Smile
You're right KÃ¥re, resurrection is probably not a good idea is such a ruleset. Players can die, miss matches or lose stats, journeymen take you back to 11.

[edit]I will stop digressing from the WC topic now, the rules are fine and fun as they were last time.[/edit]
Indigo - Dec 04, 2013 - 03:26 AM
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Resurrection is, without doubt, better for this tournament.
Grumbledook - Dec 04, 2013 - 07:28 AM
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This is why I suggested getting a poll across the board, not just from a few voices.

We are fundamentally going to disagree on this matter and my wish for Christmas would be the opposite. ;]
The fact this is a wish and perhaps an issue for you suggests there is somewhat of a demand to do this, would be nice to see how big that demand is compared to those who want to keep things pretty much how GW decided back in 2002!

Whatever the rules you are going to get the big boys with the big toys facing off, that isn't going to change. Not that I see anything underwhelming about Nurgle vs Goblins on the top table.

Vanilla would be just pure raw TV100 teams with no skills. I just don't buy that having 3 skills per day is any more complex than having a higher TV and letting teams stack some skills. In fact putting no restrictions on stacking skills is even simpler than having a rule stipulating only one skill per player. I can buy that you don't want the change for other reasons, keeping things easy for coaches doesn't fly with me! I bet far more casual players attend the local tournaments you mentioned which have diverging rulesets without problems.

I certainly agree resurrection is the way to go though, extra bookkeeping between games on this scale is a recipe for disaster.

So yeah, the only way you will see me shutting up about this before the world cup is if the NAF actually canvassed the membership. I kept relatively quiet regarding the Eurobowl rules this year, changing things up once every 4 years, when the NAFC also seems reluctant to change seems like a more than reasonable request. So that's 1 Flagship tournament in 8, or 1 in 12 if we also include the Dungeonbowl to put it into a bit of perspective.

(Though I would keep doing so for the NAFC and then the world cup after if things stayed the same Wink )
Gaixo - Dec 04, 2013 - 07:35 AM
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      Purplegoo wrote:

Joe’s right, these flagship events (World Cups, Majors) attract several casual players that don’t play a lot of BB the rest of the year. Whilst we should not insult their intelligence and imply tiered rules are too complicated for them, simple, well understood rules mean these coaches are on as level a playing field as possible with more active coaches before a die is rolled.

The elegance of Patxo's proposal is that it allows a dilettante to join a team and take up fewer of the team's "resources," while also selecting a race that won't be weighed down with high expectations. The supposedly difficult/meta job (to be fair, you may have been talking about more involved comp schemes when discussing "complicated" rules) of getting a team's racial selections in order would invariably fall to the team captain, who would surely be able to handle it.

If you really want to accommodate casual players, then a team tournament probably isn't the way to go in the first place, right?
Joemanji - Dec 04, 2013 - 08:05 AM
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      Grumbledook wrote:
So yeah, the only way you will see me shutting up about this before the world cup is if the NAF actually canvassed the membership.
Jon mate, if we did that you'll just start up about something else. Wink
Grumbledook - Dec 04, 2013 - 10:04 AM
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One improvement at a time Joe ;]
Glowworm - Dec 05, 2013 - 06:46 AM
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Sorry i asked about the rules now..... Embarassed

However, if we are canvassing the great NAF public about it could we include the option for each team to have a stunty ( 3 "classics" only) player?

that way we get a "Stunty World cup as well!!

There would be something quite underwhelming about Tripleskulls’ Nurgle vs. Yena’s Goblins on table one,

Actually that would be awesome!! just getting to single figure tables with stunties is something that provokes interest... Wink
Joemanji - Dec 05, 2013 - 06:55 AM
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One person on an internet forum asking for something to happen does not mean it will happen. Wink

In the very first post of this Q&A thread our President Lycos said :
      Lycos wrote:
Q; How much control over the rule set will the hosts have?
A; Effectively, none. The rules will be the same as previous WC's with the 9 games, 3 x 3 days. The hosts will be exactly that but they will "run the event", the NAF will work with you and provide help and guidance but the hosts will provide refs and admin teams.
More to follow as we go.

Is this not cut and dried? All five bids to host the event did so with full knowledge of this stipulation. I was lucky enough to be involved in the voting process and none of the bids made any mention of wanting to challenge it.
sann0638 - Dec 05, 2013 - 07:14 AM
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Someone should have quoted that earlier!
Joemanji - Dec 05, 2013 - 07:26 AM
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Quite. Wink
Notorious_jtb - Dec 05, 2013 - 07:26 AM
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      sann0638 wrote:
Someone should have quoted that earlier!


Laughing
Notorious_jtb - Dec 05, 2013 - 07:31 AM
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To add. The world cup is a big deal. The rules only matter in that they do not get in the way of the celebration of blood bowl and its community. I almost feel discussing changing them is detracting from the event itself. Although that is perhaps a little bit of an extreme view Wink

So at risk of detracting my self I will share that I personally would change only one thing about the rule set. That would be just to have all the skills on the roster at the beginning (rather than gradually become available over the course of the tournament) and not have any concerns about the changes that occur to rosters during the three days. I don't mean cheating or anything, but three days of blood bowl and socialising is tiring, it is easier if nothing changes. I like easier.

Thanks for enjoying my contradictory post Embarassed Very Happy
Indigo - Dec 05, 2013 - 08:30 AM
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The existing system worked really well last year - each skill just had the day beside it for when it became "active". If it ain't broke...
Notorious_jtb - Dec 05, 2013 - 08:50 AM
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      Indigo wrote:
The existing system worked really well last year - each skill just had the day beside it for when it became "active". If it ain't broke...


oh no, i wasn't advocating change for sure but there is a symmetry and simplicity to the same roster being used for all 9 games. Plus it also means you played all your opponents with the same roster so each match is more comparable.
I felt the order of skill acquisition was something i didn't have as much fun preparing for as building the core roster either. I was just sqeaking about my experience/opinion not what should be done. I may just be getting old, day two of tournaments is hard these days so day three is extra hard!

However, as with my lead in statement, i don't want to detract Smile
Gaixo - Dec 05, 2013 - 09:54 AM
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      Joemanji wrote:

In the very first post of this Q&A thread our President Lycos said :
      Lycos wrote:
Q; How much control over the rule set will the hosts have?
A; Effectively, none. The rules will be the same as previous WC's with the 9 games, 3 x 3 days. The hosts will be exactly that but they will "run the event", the NAF will work with you and provide help and guidance but the hosts will provide refs and admin teams.
More to follow as we go.

Is this not cut and dried? All five bids to host the event did so with full knowledge of this stipulation. I was lucky enough to be involved in the voting process and none of the bids made any mention of wanting to challenge it.

I don't think we were ever discussing the prospect of the hosts taking it upon themselves to change the rules.

The quote from Lycos is a bit ambiguous, as it says that the rules will be the same as in previous World Cups, and then clarifies that statement with a clause about the length of the tournament. I suppose you would have more information with which to interpret it, though. Regardless, if the rules are to be the same, I'm interested in how that decision was made. By the outgoing President? By the committee?

According to Pippy's post above, the Tournament Director seems to think that there is room for the ruleset to be modified.
Darkson - Dec 05, 2013 - 11:08 AM
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      Joemanji wrote:
      Lycos wrote:
The rules will be the same as previous WC's with the 9 games, 3 x 3 days.

Is this not cut and dried?

Well, given that WC1 was 3 single games + 6 team games, whereas WCII was 9 team games, it's a little ambiguous. Wink

Personally, the rules for me aren't a big thing. Maybe a little tweak to make the lower tier teams (and I don't specifically mean stuntys here) a little more attractive, and therefore make the distribution a little wider, would be nice, but I didn't play in the last one to worry about the rules, I just played to be part of the biggest (to date) BB tournament ever.
Pipey - Dec 05, 2013 - 12:14 PM
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Rules, structure - yes we'd largely like to keep things consistent with previous years. Lycos's post reflects that.

Let's leave it all for the NAF to discuss with the organisers when the time comes. When everything is finalised you'll hear about it Smile
Babs - Dec 05, 2013 - 12:52 PM
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Is this not cut and dried? All five bids to host the event did so with full knowledge of this stipulation. I was lucky enough to be involved in the voting process and none of the bids made any mention of wanting to challenge it.


Is this not a self fulfilling prophecy? Given the stipulation that the ruleset is what it is, it was important that the bids played to the selection criteria!

I for one considered changing the ruleset to a progression tournament, ala CanCon (the Australian Blood Bowl Nationals) rules. It's one thing Oz does uniquely so thought it might add some extra interest.

However, the bid stated that the ruleset was non negotiable - and in chatting with local players, they liked the NAF ruleset for the world cup (They can easily play at CanCon) so for those two reasons it stayed as it was for the Oz Bid.
Grumbledook - Dec 05, 2013 - 02:32 PM
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      Pippy wrote:
Rules, structure - yes we'd largely like to keep things consistent with previous years. Lycos's post reflects that.

Let's leave it all for the NAF to discuss with the organisers when the time comes. When everything is finalised you'll hear about it Smile


We know what you few guys want, I'm interested in seeing what everyone wants and making a decision based on that. I just don't see why the NAF can't do this and is seemingly unwilling to do so!

The members are the NAF as well, they should get their say with the organisers. Smile
Oventa - Dec 19, 2013 - 10:31 AM
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Hi,

Just wanted to check again if there is already a target date when the voters and the bids will be made public?
Before or after the president election is over?
(More precise dates also accepted Smile )

Cheers
Oventa
Pipey - Dec 19, 2013 - 11:56 AM
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Lycos taking care of this. Hopefully very soon though this is a busy time of the year. News soon on this for sure.
beaso - Dec 30, 2013 - 04:56 AM
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Can someone please explain to me why the submission report is still not out yet? Secondly the break down on votes.

Surely this is already in document form, from which the voting panel received. Which is exactly the same submission we should be viewing.

Once again the inability to follow through on simple objectives/statements is less than inspiring!!! Luckily we're having a vote at the moment.

Going onto the tournament format, who gets the final say? NAF TO or newly designated winners? As most of have noted so far two WC's, two different formats equals not consistent!!!!
Gaixo - Dec 30, 2013 - 05:13 AM
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It was previously indicated that the next TO would be in charge of the rules. Not sure if that was a fact or an educated guess, though.
Driesfield - Jun 02, 2014 - 11:19 AM
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When will the decision be made about how many teams from each country can attend?
Gaixo - Jun 02, 2014 - 11:52 AM
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My understanding is that there are no longer any limits on the number of teams attending.
daloonieshaman - Jul 28, 2014 - 07:01 PM
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What is the address of the convention hall?
Shaniepoo1 - Aug 10, 2014 - 05:22 AM
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What is the date of the World Cup?
Gaixo - Aug 11, 2014 - 07:31 AM
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November 6-8th, 2015.
sann0638 - Aug 11, 2014 - 11:43 AM
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      daloonieshaman wrote:
What is the address of the convention hall?


This is the venue:
http://www.luccafiere.it/come_raggiungerci.php

Address is Via della Chiesa XXXII, Traversa I, 237, Lucca.
Banelord - Aug 21, 2014 - 03:42 PM
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How and when can we register our team? (KAmPF)
sann0638 - Aug 22, 2014 - 12:50 PM
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Not for a while yet! It's still over a year away Smile
Pako - Oct 08, 2014 - 05:13 AM
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Could you please give us a date for the registration opening? Sorry for being quite stressed, last time, my team was THE spanish team that was rejected... :,(
Gaixo - Oct 08, 2014 - 08:10 AM
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The hosts are a bit busy with preparation for their annual games convention, that's the reason for the delay in registration information.

There is no real limit on teams, though, so you can't be kept out.
Pako - Oct 09, 2014 - 06:25 AM
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      Gaixo wrote:
There is no real limit on teams, though, so you can't be kept out.


I know that but heart wants what heart wants. There is no logic in the mind of a BBer that waits 8 years between WCs... Laughing Laughing Laughing
Kithor - Nov 23, 2014 - 01:16 AM
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Any updates?
Lycos - Nov 24, 2014 - 02:29 PM
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The organising team and the NAF team have communicated quite a lot, I think there is announcement and some official paperwork to be released very shortly but they (obviously) need to get all that information together first.
sann0638 - Jan 04, 2015 - 12:04 PM
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More details here: http://member.thenaf.net/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=6374
Tojurub - Jan 04, 2015 - 03:59 PM
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Is there already a final decision on the cost per team/player? Where can one find information on accomodations?
Beppe - Jan 04, 2015 - 04:12 PM
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When you'll register on the website, you will also find the information for the accomodation. The final cost will be 44€ for player and it will include a unique 12 players team, sculpted just for the WC
sann0638 - Jan 05, 2015 - 12:22 PM
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44? Really? That is crazy cheap!
magictobe - Jan 05, 2015 - 12:40 PM
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      Beppe wrote:
When you'll register on the website, you will also find the information for the accomodation. The final cost will be 44€ for player and it will include a unique 12 players team, sculpted just for the WC


Can't they do a 16 players team? Happy to pay some extra euro's for a complete roster team.

When I look at teams online I always search for the full roster 16 man team.
Nathaniël - Jan 05, 2015 - 03:02 PM
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      Beppe wrote:
When you'll register on the website, you will also find the information for the accomodation. The final cost will be 44€ for player and it will include a unique 12 players team, sculpted just for the WC


I agree with sann0638, it's really cheap !!
Good job Wink
Gaixo - Jan 05, 2015 - 07:50 PM
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      magictobe wrote:

Can't they do a 16 players team? Happy to pay some extra euro's for a complete roster team.

When I look at teams online I always search for the full roster 16 man team.
I believe there will be an additional blister pack available for sale. Details are still being worked out.
lunchmoney - Jan 06, 2015 - 01:12 AM
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      Beppe wrote:
When you'll register on the website, you will also find the information for the accomodation. The final cost will be 44€ for player and it will include a unique 12 players team, sculpted just for the WC

é44 per person! Amazing!
Tojurub - Jan 06, 2015 - 10:12 AM
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They kept their promise of 29€ admittance + 15€ for the team (in their bid). The only diference is the "optional" for the team is now a "mandatory". But I don't know any coach who wouldn't have taken the team. And I assume that way it is better for planning. So, from my side: Thumbs up!!!
Father_Gailus - Jan 06, 2015 - 05:25 PM
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Very excited to see all the info!

I do have one question though: Why only 1 month for sign-ups?

I know that the location will want a commitment by an earlier date to get good pricing, but the enrollment period is only the month of February and the tournament isn't for 7 more months. It just seems like a small window of opportunity for an event that we want to try and get as many people as possible to attend.

Thanks.

Aron
magictobe - Jan 07, 2015 - 01:37 AM
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      Gaixo wrote:
      magictobe wrote:

Can't they do a 16 players team? Happy to pay some extra euro's for a complete roster team.

When I look at teams online I always search for the full roster 16 man team.
I believe there will be an additional blister pack available for sale. Details are still being worked out.


That would be great!!! This price should not pull out people to go to this tournament!!!!

Really looking forward to this.

Mongrel Horde for the win!!!
Gaixo - Jan 07, 2015 - 09:15 AM
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      Father_Gailus wrote:
Very excited to see all the info!

I do have one question though: Why only 1 month for sign-ups?

I know that the location will want a commitment by an earlier date to get good pricing, but the enrollment period is only the month of February and the tournament isn't for 7 more months. It just seems like a small window of opportunity for an event that we want to try and get as many people as possible to attend.

Thanks.

Aron

I agree that it's not the best situation, but my understanding is that it was unavoidable due to some planning issues with the venue.
lunchmoney - Jan 08, 2015 - 12:12 AM
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Apart from seeing the price in this thread, I have no idea how to pay or how to register my team. The rules PDF is great for tourney rules and getting to the venue, but lacking in how to pay. Unless I am missing something?
Gaixo - Jan 08, 2015 - 06:14 AM
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All registration information will be on the website when it launches. This will allow the on-site organizers to have direct control of the information that goes out rather than filtering it through the committee. Previous World Cups were handled the same way, I believe.
OldManDraco - Jan 08, 2015 - 07:43 AM
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Will only the captains be able to see the infomation about the possible accomodations? Or is that available for all so the teams can decide based on what we all can see?

Very exited! GO OOSTENDE! Laughing
Pako - Jan 08, 2015 - 09:08 AM
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Can't wait to add my team to this WC...

May I suggest to publish the NAF WC III website link on the Main Page of the NAF site from 30th Jan?

Would be appreciated.
sann0638 - Jan 08, 2015 - 09:22 AM
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Of course, good call.
Father_Gailus - Jan 08, 2015 - 12:34 PM
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Will we have to list our team at the time that we register, or do we just register as individuals and then have Team Captains provide team information later? Also, can a person register as a "freebooter" (if they do not have a team)?

Thanks.

Aron
andrea_parrella - Jan 09, 2015 - 07:20 AM
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Hello everyone!

On 30th January at weblink http://worldcup.luccini.it (sublink of our webpage www.luccini.it) will be online the application form for buy the ticket of World Cup (€ 44: € 29 for the participation plus € 15 for the commemorative team by Greebo).
In addition to that will be possibile to buy the commemorative field (optional, by FF-Fields) and will be possibile to book the hotel (with the prices that the organization agreed with hotels).

The inscription will be:
* for team (captain will register the complete 6-members team)
OR
* individual (as in Amsterdam will be teams with the coach that will be register singly)

Then the captain (in the first case) or the single participant (in the second case) can be pay the total amount (within 16th of March) with a wire transfer to the bank account of association "LudoLega Lucchese".

I hope that it's everything clear, for any question you can write here or at the mail that will be active from the 30th of January: info (at) luccini dot it
Father_Gailus - Jan 12, 2015 - 08:51 AM
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      andrea_parrella wrote:
Hello everyone!

On 30th January at weblink http://worldcup.luccini.it (sublink of our webpage www.luccini.it) will be online the application form for buy the ticket of World Cup (€ 44: € 29 for the participation plus € 15 for the commemorative team by Greebo).
In addition to that will be possibile to buy the commemorative field (optional, by FF-Fields) and will be possibile to book the hotel (with the prices that the organization agreed with hotels).

The inscription will be:
* for team (captain will register the complete 6-members team)
OR
* individual (as in Amsterdam will be teams with the coach that will be register singly)

Then the captain (in the first case) or the single participant (in the second case) can be pay the total amount (within 16th of March) with a wire transfer to the bank account of association "LudoLega Lucchese".

I hope that it's everything clear, for any question you can write here or at the mail that will be active from the 30th of January: info (at) luccini dot it


Grazie mille Andrea! Very Happy
Pako - Jan 13, 2015 - 08:11 AM
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Hello,

Several questions arose:

1- Could I manage the inscription of the two teams from my league? BTW including 12 different players.

2- Could we inscribe a team with 5 members waiting for a provisional 6th? Some of us are already searching last member within our community. BTW, initial payment will be made for a full 6x team members (6x 44€).

3- If 2- answer is YES, may this additional member to be included after the inscription period? (e.g. in April).

4- Could we use organization hotel booking tool to book more days in the city (e.g. the week before the WC).

5- If 4- answer is YES, could we use this tool to book beds for non-players (e.g. wife, children...).

Thanks in advance for your answers.
andrea_parrella - Jan 13, 2015 - 01:59 PM
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      Pako wrote:
1- Could I manage the inscription of the two teams from my league? BTW including 12 different players.


Yes, but you have to do two inscription, one for team.
Then, obviously you can do one wire transfer.

      Pako wrote:
2- Could we inscribe a team with 5 members waiting for a provisional 6th? Some of us are already searching last member within our community. BTW, initial payment will be made for a full 6x team members (6x 44€).

3- If 2- answer is YES, may this additional member to be included after the inscription period? (e.g. in April).


You have to inscribe the complete team.
But you can insert a member that you can change after (perfect in April).

      Pako wrote:
4- Could we use organization hotel booking tool to book more days in the city (e.g. the week before the WC).


In the application form you can book from the 2nd to the 15th of November. For more days you can write at the mail info (at) luccini dot it.
The organization will can help you.

      Pako wrote:
5- If 4- answer is YES, could we use this tool to book beds for non-players (e.g. wife, children...).


Yes, you can book for your family.

Thank you, Pako.
If someone has other questions, I will reply ASAP.

Andrea
Pako - Jan 15, 2015 - 01:25 AM
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Thank you very much for your kind help, Andrea.

Could we have a look on the accomodation fares and hotels available to start planning our trip?

Thanks in advance.
andrea_parrella - Jan 15, 2015 - 03:30 AM
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On 30th of January you will have all the info!
Pako - Jan 15, 2015 - 07:07 AM
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      andrea_parrella wrote:
On 30th of January you will have all the info!


Ok, just wondering if were any kind of preview.

Then we will wait until 30th.

Thanks,

Paco
Vanguard - Jan 21, 2015 - 10:37 AM
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Will it be possible to purchase extra teams for those poor souls who can't make it?
Raverten - Jan 23, 2015 - 04:23 AM
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Have the hotels already reserved rooms for all of us that are not available to the public at this time or do we compete with "normal" visitors for hotel rooms?
andrea_parrella - Jan 23, 2015 - 04:51 AM
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      Raverten wrote:
Have the hotels already reserved rooms for all of us that are not available to the public at this time or do we compete with "normal" visitors for hotel rooms?


The rooms that will be in the application form, are reserved for attendance only.

After the submission date, we will give back the not necessary rooms.
After that date, rate and availablelity are not garanteed.

IMPORTANT NOTE
After you have booked the rooms on the application form, the participants DON'T HAVE TO direct contact the hotels, in order to avoid any misunderstanding.
Raverten - Jan 23, 2015 - 05:09 AM
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Thx for the fast reply!

...as we are the defenders of the Wooden Spoon 2011 we carefully have to select an appropiate hotel for us to be in the right mood Wink))
Pako - Jan 30, 2015 - 12:32 AM
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Hi,

Ready to make the inscription.

Would we need any kind of Pass or user?

Or once active, the website will be open access?
andrea_parrella - Jan 30, 2015 - 03:39 AM
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ONLINE THE APPLICATION FORM FOR THE INSCRIPTION TO THE 3RD EDITION OF THE "NAF WORLD CUP"
http://worldcup.luccini.it/

For any question, write to info (at) luccini dot it

andrea_parrella
Tojurub - Jan 30, 2015 - 04:28 AM
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I have already questions:

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Hotel costs in agreement (per night):
- 2 star: € 45 (1x), € 60 (2x), € 75 (3x)
- 3 star: € 70 (1x), € 85 (2x), € 100 (3x), € 115 (4x)
- 4 star: € 85 (1x), € 100 (2x), € 115 (3x), € 130 (4x)
- 5 star: € 100 (1x), € 115 (2x), € 130 (3x)


the number in parenthesis: is that the number of people per room?...For example: if we take a 4 star room with (3x) for €115, does that mean, we pay €115 for 3 persons in the room? Also, if we are 6 coaches (obviously), how do we book the arrangements? Either two rooms with 3 people or three rooms with 2 person or 6 single rooms? How will that be determined? And by whom?


..also, where can I find the information what hotels are available (name and location)?



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In addition, to confirm your subscription, the captain must also send a copy of the identity documents (front/back) of all players of their team, via email at info(at)luccini.it (in case of individual registration will be enough to send the your document).


By when (what date) do we need to send the copies of the identity documents?
Gaixo - Jan 30, 2015 - 06:14 AM
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I had similar questions. Also, does "identity documents" refer to local ID, or does it need to be a passport? I know at least one of my team members won't have his passport before registration closes.
sann0638 - Jan 30, 2015 - 09:17 AM
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Has the question been answered yet about having 7 players and rotating who plays?
andrea_parrella - Jan 30, 2015 - 12:56 PM
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      Gaixo wrote:
I had similar questions. Also, does "identity documents" refer to local ID, or does it need to be a passport? I know at least one of my team members won't have his passport before registration closes.


Local ID is perfect.
andrea_parrella - Jan 30, 2015 - 01:07 PM
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      Tojurub wrote:
the number in parenthesis: is that the number of people per room?...For example: if we take a 4 star room with (3x) for €115, does that mean, we pay €115 for 3 persons in the room?


Exactly, € 115 for 3 person (per night!)

      Tojurub wrote:
Also, if we are 6 coaches (obviously), how do we book the arrangements? Either two rooms with 3 people or three rooms with 2 person or 6 single rooms? How will that be determined? And by whom?


You can choose the hotel and the rooms (based on availability ^_^).

      Tojurub wrote:
..also, where can I find the information what hotels are available (name and location)?


In the step 4 of the application form.
As soon as possible, on the website we will write the complete list of hotel in agreement and their links.

      Tojurub wrote:
By when (what date) do we need to send the copies of the identity documents?


Within 16th March (as the payment).
andrea_parrella - Jan 30, 2015 - 01:09 PM
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      sann0638 wrote:
Has the question been answered yet about having 7 players and rotating who plays?


I have to ask Beppe Very Happy
goldbaek - Jan 30, 2015 - 03:28 PM
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If anyone wants to bring their girlfriend / wife / cheerleader, do we just make reservations for the extra person(s) in Step 4 (Accommodation) or is this for team coaches only?
aelath - Feb 01, 2015 - 01:52 AM
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Hi,

I can't find out about meals on the website, is food included in the inscription cost ?

Also do we all have to have naf number ?

Thx
andrea_parrella - Feb 01, 2015 - 05:50 AM
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      goldbaek wrote:
If anyone wants to bring their girlfriend / wife / cheerleader, do we just make reservations for the extra person(s) in Step 4 (Accommodation) or is this for team coaches only?


Hi, if someone wants to bring a companion there's no problem.
In the step 1 and 2 you can register the team.
In the step 4 you can book the hotel rooms for the members of the team and also for companions (wives, girlfriends, etc...).
andrea_parrella - Feb 01, 2015 - 05:54 AM
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      aelath wrote:
Hi,

I can't find out about meals on the website, is food included in the inscription cost ?

Also do we all have to have naf number ?

Thx


Hi,
meals (lunch at the tournament) are inclouded in the inscription cost.
the Naf number will be necessary for partecipate to the tournament, but is not necessary for the registration.
aelath - Feb 01, 2015 - 08:28 AM
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Thx Andrea, but then what about breakfasts and evening meals, are those included in the hotel price ?
Tojurub - Feb 02, 2015 - 07:04 AM
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Next questions: Very Happy

Some of our team members would like to know why you need a copy from the ID or passport for registration?


Secondly: Do we need to pay the hotel also before March 16 or can we pay the hotel when we check in/out?
andrea_parrella - Feb 02, 2015 - 12:29 PM
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      aelath wrote:
Thx Andrea, but then what about breakfasts and evening meals, are those included in the hotel price ?


breakfast is included in the cost of hotel, but not dinner!
we will release a list of good restaurant in Lucca afterwards. Wink
andrea_parrella - Feb 02, 2015 - 12:36 PM
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      Tojurub wrote:
Next questions: Very Happy

Some of our team members would like to know why you need a copy from the ID or passport for registration?


Secondly: Do we need to pay the hotel also before March 16 or can we pay the hotel when we check in/out?



In italy we need documents of the tournament participants for a legal reason.
We need to communicate the identity of the partecipants.
You need to pay all the cost, including hotel and other, before march 16.
rolo - Feb 03, 2015 - 01:19 AM
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Hello,

How much room is there on the gaming tables? In addition to drinks and rosters and such, I like to play using a dice tray. The tray is about 33 cm wide, casino style:
http://www.amazon.com/Wood-Hexagonal-13-Dice-Tray/dp/B0045EBY7U

I use the tray because it greatly reduces the chance of flying dice, it is even better than using a cup. It also makes transporting my team from one table to another fast and easy. But I've had problems with table size in the past at tournaments, and if I can't fit my tray I'll leave it at home.
andrea_parrella - Feb 03, 2015 - 06:05 AM
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      rolo wrote:
Hello,
How much room is there on the gaming tables? In addition to drinks and rosters and such, I like to play using a dice tray. The tray is about 33 cm wide, casino style.


Hello, for now we do not know yet about to reply to the space of the tables.
This will depend on the number of subscriptions and other factors.
I would ask you to propose anew this question around May.
I pray you all to use the mail info (at) Luccini dot it for any question, so that our staff can answer you better.
thank
Tojurub - Feb 03, 2015 - 06:30 AM
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and another one from me:

will there be somewhere a list of registered teams/coaches on the webpage at one point?
andrea_parrella - Feb 03, 2015 - 10:29 AM
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      Tojurub wrote:
and another one from me:
will there be somewhere a list of registered teams/coaches on the webpage at one point?


yes, a list will there be, when subscriptions will be closed. Smile
Matt_le_Fou - Feb 10, 2015 - 06:41 AM
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Hi.

I have a question about the Commemorative Field. FF-field makes differents versions : rollable, 6 pieces hard version, 8 pieces hard version, etc.
Do you know which version will it be ?
I have seen the inscription site. I haven't see where we chose the nickname that will appear on the field. How can we give the information ?

Thank you.
Tojurub - Feb 10, 2015 - 08:51 AM
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I used the comment field on that particular area of the website to enter the nicknames of the coaches who wanted the pitch
Matt_le_Fou - Feb 10, 2015 - 10:57 AM
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Yes, of course.
Now you say it, it seem obvious.
Thank you. Smile
Matt_le_Fou - Feb 10, 2015 - 09:10 PM
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I received the answer by mail : it will be the rigid-puzzle version.
lunchmoney - Feb 11, 2015 - 01:19 AM
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      Matt_le_Fou wrote:
Hi.

I have a question about the Commemorative Field. FF-field makes differents versions : rollable, 6 pieces hard version, 8 pieces hard version, etc.
Do you know which version will it be ?
I have seen the inscription site. I haven't see where we chose the nickname that will appear on the field. How can we give the information ?

Thank you.
Please let it be a hard piece board Exclamation (6 or 8, dont care, just really dont get on with the rollable pitches). Or better yet, let us choose.
PANDA - Feb 19, 2015 - 01:50 PM
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Hi,

I'm trying to inscrive our team but i have a problem with the acomodation... Is hotel diana avalible? we look at the inscripcion web as avalible but when i try to select it's missing?

greetings.
andrea_parrella - Feb 20, 2015 - 02:46 AM
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      PANDA wrote:
Hi,

I'm trying to inscrive our team but i have a problem with the acomodation... Is hotel diana avalible? we look at the inscripcion web as avalible but when i try to select it's missing?

greetings.



Hi, the hotels in agreement are those which are in the list,
but only in the Application Form you can see which rooms are still available.
If you can not see an option, is because this is not more available.
I can give you a suggestion.
Hotel Diana (not more available), Hotel San Martino and Dependance are practically the same Hotel!
So you can book in those.

Guys please, use the mail for any information!
It's difficult to respond in all forums.

Bye
Tojurub - Feb 20, 2015 - 04:48 AM
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Just a suggestion: I know it will need extra work, but can the first page be updated in a way that the list of hotels shows what rooms (single, double, etc) are still available for each hotel.

When our group signed up in the beginning of the inscription period, we decided on a hotel, but when I filled out the form itself, that particular hotel was not available (room-wise), so I took the liberty and picked a different one, hoping that my buddies are ok with that.
andrea_parrella - Feb 20, 2015 - 12:50 PM
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Sorry, but it is not possible!
PANDA - Feb 28, 2015 - 05:39 AM
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Hi,

We made a team inscription for spanish team, its already ok with the automatic validation mail? wait for more instruccions...

what its the mail to send the identity documents? info(at)luccini.it isn't a valid mail...

greetings.
andrea_parrella - Feb 28, 2015 - 06:52 AM
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Dear Panda, what's your team name?
The e-mail address info@luccini.it is working.

In the automatic mail there are the instructions for the payment and the sending of the documents.

Let me know, if you need other informations.
I wait you team name.
PANDA - Feb 28, 2015 - 07:21 PM
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Hi,

my team name is " gavilan pollero".

Monday, i guess my teammattes send my our id's and then i sentback to that mail. Something more will be necessary???

greetings.
PANDA - Mar 02, 2015 - 11:40 AM
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Hi,

Keep trying to send our ids documents at that email and seems to be " delivery failure" returning email. Can be posible another side way to send to organization these id???

Greetings.

P.d. trying harder to re-email. Apologize if when i made it you receive spam of docs... Embarassed Embarassed
andrea_parrella - Mar 03, 2015 - 07:31 AM
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This evening we will check it.
Otherwise, we will give you another mail.
Tojurub - Mar 04, 2015 - 11:32 AM
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Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy


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- 3 Marzo 2015
- 3rd March 2015
100 Squadre! Oltre 600 giocatori. Altri 5 giorni per iscriversi!
100 Teams! Over 600 players. 5 days again for the subscriptions!

Sebco - Mar 04, 2015 - 01:52 PM
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Great! Le'ts go up to 120 teams in the next few days!
PANDA - Mar 04, 2015 - 03:00 PM
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Hi,

The problem with the email info@luccini.it remains... any solution?. Otherwise is my team "gavilan pollero" correctly inscrived???

greetings.
goldbaek - Mar 04, 2015 - 03:09 PM
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Hi,

personally I haven't experienced any problems when sending to 'info@luccini.it' but to be fair, I haven't tried to send any documents yet.

Maybe there is a problem with the size of the mail (maybe the attached documents are too large for the mail server to handle them). Could you paste the error message in this thread so we can see what it exactly says?

Cheers,
goldbaek

      PANDA wrote:
Hi,

The problem with the email info@luccini.it remains... any solution?. Otherwise is my team "gavilan pollero" correctly inscrived???

greetings.

andrea_parrella - Mar 04, 2015 - 03:31 PM
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If the mail attachments are too large, please send us one mail each document.
If the problem continues, ONLY FOR THE DOCUMENTS, NOT FOR INFORMATIONS, write to: ludolegalucchese@gmail.com
Tojurub - Mar 04, 2015 - 03:42 PM
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create PDF documents, do not use image formats since the are way too big for email accounts.
Pako - Mar 05, 2015 - 01:14 AM
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Not sure if this is the appropriate place.

Could we have a comparative of nº players, teams and teams per country since 2007?

2007 vs 2011 vs 2015.

Guess would be interesting. Just for curiosity...
Tojurub - Mar 05, 2015 - 04:47 AM
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that was mentioned in the "Road to Lucca" Thread by Lycos:

http://member.thenaf.net/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=6198

2007: 272 Coaches
2011: 480 Coaches
2015 >600 Coaches
daloonieshaman - Mar 05, 2015 - 07:46 AM
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Replacement players

if for some reason after your team registers a coach has to drop by the event can we replace him easily with another willing coach?
PANDA - Mar 05, 2015 - 01:45 PM
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Hi,

ludolegalucchese@gmail.com

This email works, i put all the photos for the ids in a rar archive.

all done??? something more??

greetings
andrea_parrella - Mar 05, 2015 - 06:01 PM
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      daloonieshaman wrote:
Replacement players

if for some reason after your team registers a coach has to drop by the event can we replace him easily with another willing coach?


Yes, the team have to replace the coach!
Very Happy
EasyKicker - Mar 07, 2015 - 03:42 AM
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I have had late requests for more coins and a pitch.

Do I need to re-register the team with the extra requests?
andrea_parrella - Mar 07, 2015 - 12:39 PM
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No, you don't have.
Write that at the e-mail info@luccini.it
Pako - Mar 10, 2015 - 06:18 AM
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      Tojurub wrote:
that was mentioned in the "Road to Lucca" Thread by Lycos:

http://member.thenaf.net/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=6198

2007: 272 Coaches
2011: 480 Coaches
2015 >600 Coaches


Yes, but I was asking also for the figures regarding countries.

If someone passes me the info, I would made a nice doc for comparison...
sann0638 - Mar 10, 2015 - 06:19 AM
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Might be a case of trawling back through the forum here or on TFF?
rolo - May 13, 2015 - 02:10 AM
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Is the Lucca Fiere location air conditioned? (We're looking to make team shirts, if we're sitting in a sauna with a thousand sweaty gamers, that might mean t-shirts; otherwise Lucca weather seems to be in the 10-20°C range in November and a polo style or a light sweatshirt would be better).
Gaixo - May 13, 2015 - 06:03 AM
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You should probably contact the organizers directly, as I don't believe they're monitoring this forum anymore.

Practically speaking, a t-shirt and light jacket leaves you prepared for either situation.
Tojurub - May 26, 2015 - 03:07 AM
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we just had a discussion on our league about this topic: is it mandatory to be NAF member to take part at the NAF World Cup? After looking at the published team list, it is apparently not mandatory. I don't get the logic behind that?
Gaixo - May 26, 2015 - 01:31 PM
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I noticed that, too. I would guess that the intent is to sign them up at the event, but it would make more sense to get it sorted out beforehand.

We'll discuss this in the meeting this weekend, the minutes from which should be out next week.
sann0638 - May 27, 2015 - 04:13 AM
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From talking to the organisers, it will be mandatory, and there will be a cutoff date well in advance for everyone to be NAF ranked.
Tojurub - May 28, 2015 - 02:56 AM
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thanks for clarification Smile
Sebco - Oct 18, 2015 - 11:01 AM
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Hi!

The 1st round will be drawn in advance, as for previous world cups?
Beppe - Oct 19, 2015 - 12:12 AM
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Yes, I don't know exactly when, but it will be published in advance
Sebco - Oct 19, 2015 - 10:59 AM
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Ok, thanks for the quick answer. Wink
Pako - Oct 23, 2015 - 06:44 AM
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Hello all,

After all this impressive work made (THANKS again!), one key thing is still remaining.

Could we have official advise in places where have drinks and/or discos that would be worthy to visit?

Restaurants are pretty much covered by websites like Tripadvisor, but less recommendable places are not.

Our play level will decrease sensitively if we sleep more than 4h a day and not have hangover...

Thanks!
Beppe - Oct 23, 2015 - 07:55 AM
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Hi Pako, you'll have to wait a few days and you'll have all the informations you're asking for: just check your email in the next days Wink
Pako - Oct 26, 2015 - 01:49 AM
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Thanks Beppe, I assumed it will be covered, but my bunch of subhuman players are becoming impatient and thirsty... XD
Kindé - Oct 27, 2015 - 08:13 AM
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Hi all,

my team (Massacreur Turons) and I noticed that our 1st round opponents (Brigata Muratella) does not have any skill upgrade noted yet (as shown on the roster recap here : http://worldcup.luccini.it/rosters.htm). Were can we see the skill they choose for their teams ?

And btw, thanks for the huge work done so far, can't wait to go to Lucca Smile
Beppe - Oct 27, 2015 - 09:03 AM
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You're right Kin, I'll contact them as soon as possible and we will have the skills published on their rosters
Kindé - Oct 27, 2015 - 11:03 AM
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Ok thank you Smile
Beppe - Oct 28, 2015 - 01:01 AM
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Just sent you an email Smile
Chou - Oct 29, 2015 - 02:32 AM
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      Beppe wrote:
Hi Pako, you'll have to wait a few days and you'll have all the informations you're asking for: just check your email in the next days Wink


Also, Beppe, would it be too much asking having you paying my drinks in advance? That would be the kind of things a brilliant president would do... Very Happy
Beppe - Oct 29, 2015 - 02:52 AM
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Of course Chou, I'll pay your drinks and I'll personally prepare and serve them to you Twisted Evil
Chou - Oct 29, 2015 - 09:42 AM
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      Beppe wrote:
Of course Chou, I'll pay your drinks and I'll personally prepare and serve them to you Twisted Evil


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