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 Posted: Mar 14, 2003 - 12:37 PM
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Doubleskulls wrote: Well does anyone know if the Underworld Cup, Pandemonium Cup, CanCon and Galadrieth Goblet allowed star players?
If so I can produce stats separating out the stars from the non-stars.
AFAIK, the first three didn't...dunno about Fanaticon, got a feeling they may have...
But at the end of the day, you're only going to be separating formats that allowed stars, rather than results from rosters containing stars. |
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Posted: Mar 14, 2003 - 01:06 PM
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| That's true, but I think he's looking to see the winning percentage of teams in star player environments, so if he's got enough data it shouldn't matter too much. |
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Posted: Mar 17, 2003 - 03:01 AM
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Its pretty conclusive that CDs & Undead are good without stars, but humans just plummet.
TR 100 Teams without Stars
Code: Pld W D L W% D% L% For Ag Net
Amazons 15 8 0 7 0.53 0.00 0.47 26 23 3
Chaos 15 6 2 7 0.40 0.13 0.47 19 28 -9
Chaos Dwarves 11 8 1 2 0.73 0.09 0.18 19 11 8
Dark Elves 7 3 1 3 0.43 0.14 0.43 12 9 3
Dwarves 47 15 9 23 0.32 0.19 0.49 64 77 -13
Goblins 4 2 0 2 0.50 0.00 0.50 4 7 -3
High Elves 28 10 5 13 0.36 0.18 0.46 54 61 -7
Humans 18 4 0 14 0.22 0.00 0.78 24 42 -18
Lizardmen 13 4 2 7 0.31 0.15 0.54 20 27 -7
Norse 25 10 3 12 0.40 0.12 0.48 33 35 -2
Orc 37 19 4 14 0.51 0.11 0.38 60 50 10
Skaven 51 30 3 18 0.59 0.06 0.35 121 87 34
Undead 15 9 0 6 0.60 0.00 0.40 20 21 -1
Wood Elves 14 6 2 6 0.43 0.14 0.43 26 24 2
100 TR Stars
Code: Pld W D L W% D% L% For Ag Net
Amazons 18 8 2 8 0.44 0.11 0.44 25 23 2
Chaos 18 6 6 6 0.33 0.33 0.33 21 21 0
Chaos Dwarves 36 21 0 15 0.58 0.00 0.42 56 39 17
Dark Elves 13 3 4 6 0.23 0.31 0.46 18 21 -3
Dwarves 30 11 8 11 0.37 0.27 0.37 40 43 -3
Goblins 11 2 0 9 0.18 0.00 0.82 11 27 -16
Halflings 15 1 3 11 0.07 0.20 0.73 16 33 -17
High Elves 6 2 3 1 0.33 0.50 0.17 8 7 1
Humans 45 23 6 16 0.51 0.13 0.36 77 55 22
Lizardmen 26 7 6 13 0.27 0.23 0.50 29 47 -18
Norse 14 4 1 9 0.29 0.07 0.64 16 24 -8
Orc 74 28 15 31 0.38 0.20 0.42 84 108 -24
Skaven 52 19 12 21 0.37 0.23 0.40 92 89 3
Undead 52 30 11 11 0.58 0.21 0.21 77 49 28
Wood Elves 40 16 11 13 0.40 0.28 0.32 93 77 16 |
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Posted: Mar 17, 2003 - 03:43 AM
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| Chaos dwarves seems better without stars....strange imho |
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Posted: Mar 17, 2003 - 06:13 AM
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| I think we all have to bear in mind that the samples are very small. 11 games with CDs - over 3 tournaments isn't that wide a sample of coaches. Give it another 6 months and we may have worthwhile data to plough through. At the moment goblins are 6th best no stars team! |
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Posted: Mar 17, 2003 - 08:18 AM
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Anyway back to TR 100 vs TR 110.
This bit shows the improvement in TR 110 against TR 100 tourneys that didn't involve stars (so + means better in TR110). The outstanding fact is (given small sample sizes) that it didn't make much difference to the performance of the Elven teams.
Code: W% D% L%
Lizardmen 0.30 0.04 -0.35
Humans 0.11 0.35 -0.45
Norse 0.10 -0.07 -0.03
Wood Elves 0.00 -0.10 0.09
Dwarves -0.02 0.03 -0.01
High Elves -0.04 0.08 -0.04
Undead -0.12 0.30 -0.19
Dark Elves -0.13 0.01 0.12
Skaven -0.18 0.16 0.02
Orc -0.25 0.13 0.12
Chaos Dwarves -0.30 0.05 0.25
Amazons -0.33 0.20 0.13
TR 100 - No stars
Totals for all competitions
Code: Pld W D L W% D% L% For Ag Net
Amazons 15 8 0 7 0.53 0.00 0.47 26 23 3
Chaos 15 6 2 7 0.40 0.13 0.47 19 28 -9
Chaos Dwarves 11 8 1 2 0.73 0.09 0.18 19 11 8
Dark Elves 7 3 1 3 0.43 0.14 0.43 12 9 3
Dwarves 47 15 9 23 0.32 0.19 0.49 64 77 -13
Goblins 4 2 0 2 0.50 0.00 0.50 4 7 -3
High Elves 28 10 5 13 0.36 0.18 0.46 54 61 -7
Humans 18 4 0 14 0.22 0.00 0.78 24 42 -18
Lizardmen 13 4 2 7 0.31 0.15 0.54 20 27 -7
Norse 25 10 3 12 0.40 0.12 0.48 33 35 -2
Orc 37 19 4 14 0.51 0.11 0.38 60 50 10
Skaven 51 30 3 18 0.59 0.06 0.35 121 87 34
Undead 15 9 0 6 0.60 0.00 0.40 20 21 -1
Wood Elves 14 6 2 6 0.43 0.14 0.43 26 24 2
TR 110
Code: Pld W D L W% D% L% For Ag Net
Amazons 5 1 1 3 0.20 0.20 0.60 5 8 -3
Chaos Dwarves 7 3 1 3 0.43 0.14 0.43 13 10 3
Dark Elves 20 6 3 11 0.30 0.15 0.55 36 45 -9
Dwarves 27 8 6 13 0.30 0.22 0.48 29 47 -18
Halflings 8 3 2 3 0.38 0.25 0.38 13 10 3
High Elves 19 6 5 8 0.32 0.26 0.42 41 34 7
Humans 43 14 15 14 0.33 0.35 0.33 60 64 -4
Lizardmen 31 19 6 6 0.61 0.19 0.19 69 39 30
Norse 20 10 1 9 0.50 0.05 0.45 34 40 -6
Orc 38 10 9 19 0.26 0.24 0.50 45 63 -18
Skaven 46 19 10 17 0.41 0.22 0.37 92 83 9
Undead 33 16 10 7 0.48 0.30 0.21 49 35 14
Wood Elves 23 10 1 12 0.43 0.04 0.52 40 48 -8 |
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Posted: Mar 17, 2003 - 03:25 PM
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Doubleskulls wrote: This bit shows the improvement in TR 110 against TR 100 tourneys that didn't involve stars (so + means better in TR110). The outstanding fact is (given small sample sizes) that it didn't make much difference to the performance of the Elven teams.
Thanks. It is clear that TR110 (without stars) gives the most balanced result.
I scored each race with 2 points for a win, 1 for a draw and 0 for a loss, then worked out the average points per game played for each race. Finally I took the standard deviation (S.D.) for all the races in that table.
TR100 with Stars S.D. = 0.30
TR100 no Stars S.D. = 0.25
TR110 no Stars S.D. = 0.20
The lower the S.D. the more even the distribution (of wins, draws and losses).
So the high S.D. for TR100 with Stars shows that it is biased strongly towards some teams and against others. The low S.D. for TR110 games shows a lower bias towards or against any teams. |
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