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Post subject: Assisting a Really Stupid Player
 Posted: Aug 12, 2011 - 10:35 AM
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This hasn't come up yet, but I am playing a Chaos Pact team in my league and want to have a ruling on hand in case it does.
I know that normally an Ogre or a Minotaur can count as an adjacent standing player for the Troll's Really Stupid roll because neither has Really Stupid. However what if the Ogre missed his Bonehead roll, would he still count? Reading both Bonehead and Really Stupid would indicate that he would. Really Stupid only says that it has to be a standing adjacent player without Really Stupid and makes no mention that they can't have lost their action and tacklezones due to missing a Boneheaded roll or being Hypnotic Gazed. Bonehead only states that they lose their action, tacklezones, cannot voluntarily move and cannot assist in a block or foul. It doesn't state that he can't count as an assist for Really Stupid and such an assist isn't an action either. However it could be argued that the spirit of the rules might indicate that a Bonehead or gazed player wouldn't count.
I would think that their shouldn't be any questions about a minotaur since missing a wild animal roll simply ends his turn.
Is their any official ruling on this or common house rule? |
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Post subject: RE: Assisting a Really Stupid Player
Posted: Aug 12, 2011 - 11:32 AM
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| I would suggest that a players without a tackle zone can't assist. they cna't for anything else in the game, like blocking and fouling. |
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Post subject: RE: Assisting a Really Stupid Player
Posted: Aug 12, 2011 - 09:41 PM
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| Anyone can assist a RS player OTHER THAN another RS player. (Trolls don't party) (under Really Stupid) |
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Post subject: RE: Assisting a Really Stupid Player
Posted: Aug 13, 2011 - 12:39 AM
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| that wasn't what he asked... |
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Post subject: RE: Assisting a Really Stupid Player
Posted: Aug 13, 2011 - 08:33 PM
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| The current ruleset does not mention tackle zones, just that a non-really stupid player needs to be adjacent.. so a rules lawyer would say an boneheaded ogre would work fine, but another active troll would not (take that goblins!) |
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Post subject: RE: Assisting a Really Stupid Player
Posted: Aug 13, 2011 - 09:11 PM
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Post subject: Re: RE: Assisting a Really Stupid Player
Posted: Aug 17, 2011 - 07:17 AM
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daht wrote: The current ruleset does not mention tackle zones, just that a non-really stupid player needs to be adjacent.. so a rules lawyer would say an boneheaded ogre would work fine, but another active troll would not (take that goblins!)
This is exactly what I am saying. So is there no official ruling or errata? Otherwise I will have to talk to our league commish and see what he thinks. I don't want to be blindsided by someone arguing that my bonehead ogre can't assist. In situations when the Ogre is assisting, I will try to move the troll first. However there may be situations when I can't, or the ogre is boneheaded from the previous turn. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Assisting a Really Stupid Player
Posted: Aug 17, 2011 - 07:34 AM
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I do not think it is particularly being a rules lawyer. The rules do not require that the adjacent player have active tackle zones. Therefore, the bonehead ogre counts as having a "standing player adjacent."
The same thing could happen if you are playing against vampires and they have hypno-gazed a player standing next to a troll.
It seems to me that it would be rules lawyer-ish to argue that the "intent" of the rule is for a bonehead player to not assist with really stupid. The rules seem clear to me. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Assisting a Really Stupid Player
Posted: Aug 18, 2011 - 12:20 PM
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| IT just says "Standing" it does not mention active tackle zones. So yea the Boneheaded player may incourage the 2+ roll for the RS player |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Assisting a Really Stupid Player
Posted: Aug 21, 2011 - 05:22 AM
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Wow! Just looked through my old LRBs, and it's always be written like that.
So when (and where and why!) did we start playing it had to be a player with a TZ.... |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Assisting a Really Stupid Player
Posted: Aug 21, 2011 - 10:08 PM
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| Same here Darkson. Years (and I play RS players (and coaches) )I have played TZs |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Assisting a Really Stupid Player
Posted: Aug 22, 2011 - 04:54 AM
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seemed more logical and no one has ever questioned it before
I guess also because not many teams mix really stupid players with bonehead etc (until pact really existed) and hypnotic gaze isn't overly commonly used |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Assisting a Really Stupid Player
Posted: Sep 13, 2011 - 04:54 AM
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The answer is NO.
Assisting a really stupid player like Grumbledook is NOT allowed. |
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