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Some better BB rankings?
Purely by Wins, then Draws. The tiebreak is TDs scored.
Code: Win Draw Loss
1 Hans Peter Earwaker Mordredds Apocolypse 5 1+ 0
2 Christopher Schmitt Haidhausen Rockets 5 1* 0
3 Ian Williams 5 1 0
4 Justin Hargrave Sisters of Nuffle 5 1 0
5 Andy Hewitt The Dead 'Uns 5 0 1
6 Luke Gregory The Crookback Cretins 5 0 1
7 Richard Roberts Amaxon Piranhas 5 0 1
8 Peter Knuelsen Dead From Below 5 0 1
9 Otto Baidinger Horus' Harlequins 5 0 1
10 Daniel Martinez Lustrian Red Eyes 5 0 1
11 Pedro Garcia Sylvanian Bats 5 0 1
12 William Livingstone The Washington Deadthings 4 2 0
13 Frank Becker United Pharabones 4 2 0
14 Paul Gegg Darkthunder Cheatahs 4 1 1
15 Thorsten Michel Eshin Express 4 1 1
16 Andrew Hughes 4 1 1
17 Aran Isom 4 1 1
18 Harold Edouard Death Squad 4 1 1
19 Ken Washington Asgard All-Stars 4 1 1
20 Frank Hill The Fell-Fjord Frostbiters 4 1 1
21 Tim Ibe Doomville Titans 4 1 1
22 Paul Wake The Mapelheim Maulers 4 1 1
23 Craig Andrews The Tomb Raiders 4 1 1
24 Keith Sutherland Blood Peak Marauders 4 1 1
25 florian schulz Karak Zorn Crushers 4 1 1
26 David Munro Pitsburg Steelheads 4 1 1
27 Manuel Schultz Green War 4 0 2
28 David Ashton The Phoenix Kings 4 0 2
29 Harry Harrington Quenelles Park Rangers 4 0 2
30 Jordi Llobet Ratas Pestosas 4 0 2
31 thomas andersen Crimson Tide 4 0 2
32 Philippe Merlaud Nuts 4 0 2
33 Max Horseman Bjorns Bloody Wanderers 4 0 2
34 Richard Would Portly Miners 4 0 2
35 Antonio Roig The No-Elf Flower Power 3 3 0
36 Phil Scott Greenwood Rangers 3 2 1
37 Steve Watson Bogenhoffen Braves 3 2 1
38 Marcus Pitt Hells Teef 3 2 1
39 Paul Davies Coffin Dodgers 3 2 1
40 James Wood Deathwing's Dullards 3 2 1
41 Olaf Stober Dwarfen Dynamite 3 2 1
42 Marcos Tarrasso Ocana Los Locos De Tarra 3 2 1
43 Javier Carvasal Los Paladines De Hashut 3 2 1
44 Steve McEwan Destroyers of Kharak Dum 3 2 1
45 Graeme Candlish Nashraks Nobbly Nobblers 3 2 1
46 Reiner Van Noort The Karak-Grizdal Grizzlies 3 2 1
47 Xavier Tomas Golden Stone Golems 3 1 2
48 Colin Darra Tyr na nog Talons 3 1 2
49 Andrew Stickland West Wayland Hawks 3 1 2
50 Juan Torosa Elegidos De Orion 3 1 2
51 Gareth Wynn Mordheim Mad-Hackers 3 1 2
52 Robert Higham 3G 3 1 2
53 David Avery Jade Avengers 3 1 2
54 Del Hiscocks Homicidal Hashrats 3 1 2
55 David Allen The Unknown Misfit 3 1 2
56 Chris Taylor Holt Wood Outlaws 3 1 2
57 Rudi Mofer Ice Eagles Pride 3 1 2
58 geerten mast Children of Hashut 3 1 2
59 Yohann Miniere Longshots Likely Losers 3 1 2
60 Andrew Isherwood Little Green Men 3 1 2
61 Darren Littlehales Amazonian All Blacks 3 1 2
62 Andrew John Smith Reik Fire 3 1 2
63 Wolfgang Eigl Death Raiders 3 1 2
64 Barry Holden Axlotis 49'ers 3 1 2
65 Paul Stacey Bo Selecta 3 1 2
66 Dan Flattery The Dead Certs 3 1 2
67 enrique borreda sanchez Karag-Drong Lightning 3 1 2
68 Gavin Sutton The Elfheim Eagles 3 0 3
69 Jose Manuel Martin Los Amigos Del Balon 3 0 3
70 Philip Bateman Cunningham-Grahams Old Boys Cl. 3 0 3
71 Michael Kochke Birds of Prey 3 0 3
72 Nicholas Humby Skitterleap Septacaemics 3 0 3
73 Geoff Porritt Heartless Ghoul Utd 3 0 3
74 Andrew Patrick Ulthuan Athletic 3 0 3
75 Andy Garrard Teoxacotl Titans 3 0 3
76 Jonathan Bowers Bovine Slaughter 3 0 3
77 Desroziers Sylvain Reeboub Italian Beavers ... 3 0 3
78 Tyrann Castle Beastleigh Boys 3 0 3
79 Sean Hassey Zulu Nomads 3 0 3
80 Mike Pye Sartosa Raiders 3 0 3
81 John-Ross Morland Chaos Undecided 3 0 3
82 Mark Lawrenson Short on Talent 3 0 3
83 Andrew Smith Hobgoblin Gnobblers 3 0 3
84 Colin Klym 3 0 3
85 Gerald Nodin (ASSE) 2 3 1
86 Matthew Godin Bubonic Blockers 2 3 1
87 Ben Patterson Northen Wildmen 2 3 1
88 Oriol Hinestrosa Quezacoatl Flyers 2 3 1
89 Huan Quayle The Jotun Mountain Miners XI 2 3 1
90 Mark Crellin Coffin Dodgers 2 3 1
91 Pete Bull The Crookback Cripplers 2 2 2
92 Rich Dansie Naggarond Maulers 2 2 2
93 Mike Thorp The Scurvy Rats 2 2 2
94 Paul Crowcroft Deadland Tombstones 2 2 2
95 Baerbel Knoeppel Los Gomeros 2 2 2
96 Stephen Hutton Doomfire Warpraiders 2 2 2
97 Simon Ashe Waagh Bloodclaw 2 2 2
98 Stephen Canfield Dynamite Jenkins Fork 2 2 2
99 Anthony Watts Svenska Stormhammers 2 2 2
100 James Hart Malthroods Warriors 2 2 2
101 Steffen Seubert Zodiac Monarchs 2 2 2
102 Andy Jackson-Hall Badland Greenskins 2 2 2
103 Marc Hohmann Seckenheim Sinraptors 2 2 2
104 Dean Moulder The Full Mooners 2 2 2
105 Kris Mills Da Broken Fang 2 2 2
106 Jim Lanier True Sons of Faith 2 2 2
107 Geoff Thirlwell The Vonerichs 2 1 3
108 Christian Hejl Greinfental Dragons 2 1 3
109 Gunther Epp Cub-Scouts 2 1 3
110 Ryan Talbot The Scruten Scramblers 2 1 3
111 David Rew Underworld Assassins 2 1 3
112 Jorge Manuel Monzo Peree Guardabosques ... 2 1 3
113 Ben Trayhorn Hag Graef Dragons 2 1 3
114 Diego Monjes Ratos De Porao 2 1 3
115 David Van Dijk Fear Ye No Ordeal 2 1 3
116 Allan Young The Black Sea Sailors BB Club 2 1 3
117 Emyr Mortimer-Roberts Y Ddraig Goch 2 1 3
118 Torsten Blaetter Musical Mystery 2 1 3
119 Justin Vaughan Temple Guards 2 1 3
120 Ivan Djokic Gorks Fists 2 1 3
121 Anthony Dansie 2 1 3
122 Andrew Horton The Sunn Diego Croakers 2 1 3
123 Lagnel Johan Diogen-Mastakilla 2 1 3
124 Mikael Hillgren Lost Ark Raiders 2 1 3
125 Chris Hayes Pearly Wights 2 1 3
126 Tom Lumley Sekhefs Sentinels 2 1 3
127 Simon Merton Da Midnight Bommerz 2 1 3
128 Chris Lewis Living Saint My Ass 2 1 3
129 Adrian Deacon Sons of Albion 2 1 3
130 Andy Fleming 2 1 3
131 Paul Harrison Knights of Arden 2 1 3
132 Dave Palmer Black Mountain Howlers 2 1 3
133 Ian Banks Talabheim Titans 2 1 3
134 Heather Thomas Death by Shinu Shinu 2 0 4
135 Chris Blair Druchii Cutthroats 2 0 4
136 Jamie Hemmings Applethorn Assassins 2 0 4
137 Joris Bertens Har Ganeth's Ravens 2 0 4
138 Alex Wormall Booksellers of Yore 2 0 4
139 Carl Brown Da Deff Skwadd 2 0 4
140 Bertrand Madet Zardock Reavers 2 0 4
141 Scott Baird Cursed Earth Crusaders 2 0 4
142 Louis-Xavier Dauguet Naggarond Sweet Dragons 2 0 4
143 Florian Walnigg Eichbaum Killers 2 0 4
144 Dan Heller Vestmannaeyjar Volcanoes 2 0 4
145 Philip Homatidis Sand Shifters 2 0 4
146 Juergen Unfried Nordic Vikings 1 5 0
147 Shane Davey Tlaxtlan Carnosaurs 1 3 2
148 Anthony Lown Lowny's Losers 1 3 2
149 Michael Pickard Mydilburg Miners 1 3 2
150 Edwin Thorley Chiselhurst Chamaeleon 1 3 2
151 Richard Goddard Mad Dogz 1 3 2
152 Rickassel Ruediger Moguntia Wreckers 1 3 2
153 Javi Garcia Scary Scouts 1 2 3
154 David Hicks Nipponian Nighthawks 1 2 3
155 Matthew Robson The Gecko Gringos 1 2 3
156 Ron Battram Mootland Avengers 1 2 3
157 Daniel Parry Kraykem Raiders 1 2 3
158 Carl Linquist Badland Boars 1 2 3
159 Paul Ince Alcatani Adders 1 2 3
160 Valerio Catella Snake Skins 1 2 3
161 Gareth Marchant Barak-Varr Breaknecks 1 2 3
162 Mark Hawley Ka-Sabar Suns 1 2 3
163 Anke Bien Sisters of N-Key 1 1 4
164 Jim Slater Saphery Sea Dreamers 1 1 4
165 Elaine Peazold Amazonian A-Nile-Ators 1 1 4
166 Andrew Skilling Twisted Tails 1 1 4
167 Jeremiah Johnson Zititoc Avengers 1 1 4
168 Alasdair Harper Cobbs Knobs 1 1 4
169 James Jamieson Dr Seuss' Funstars 1 1 4
170 David Coughlin Soteks Warriors 1 1 4
171 Michael Ormesher The Accursed 1 1 4
172 Jez Allum Itza Bhunxua Lizards 1 0 5
173 David Irving Wildside Kindred 1 0 5
174 Tony Carr Flaming Skulls 1 0 5
175 Michael Ryan 1 0 5
176 Robin Hyde Avenbing Pheonix 1 0 5
177 Chris White The Killer Kurgans 1 0 5
178 Dave Shotter Nagas Revenge 1 0 5
179 Steven Bindon Reikland Reavers (B-Side) 1 0 5
180 Gerwyn Walters The Besbah Nunns 0 2 4
181 Daniel Welzel Naggarith Wanderers 0 2 4
182 Stephen Fase Franks Freaks 0 2 4
183 Andrew Christian Bugmans Berserkers 0 2 4
184 Chris Hastings K-otic Killers 0 1 5
185 Kenneth Smith Her Majesty's Haemaphrodites 0 1 5
186 Andrew Grierson Bad Moon Wunderstuff 0 1 5
187 Chris Smallwood Tha Goblin Chuwas 0 0 6
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Posted: Jun 03, 2004 - 05:50 AM
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| Better would be pure tournament points scored on the field (which after all was the criteria we were all playing under, decisive wins/narrow defeats etc) and use sportsmanship and then painting as tie-breakers. |
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Posted: Jun 03, 2004 - 06:24 AM
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| I like scoring systems that emphase wins. IMO systems like the one used (or the PK&Qs) aren't as good as systems that only use TD difference etc to sort between people with similar records. |
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Posted: Jun 03, 2004 - 07:59 AM
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Posted: Jun 04, 2004 - 04:17 AM
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Doubleskulls wrote: I like scoring systems that emphase wins. IMO systems like the one used (or the PK&Qs) aren't as good as systems that only use TD difference etc to sort between people with similar records.
I agree, which is why I went for the simple 3 for a win 1 for a draw and 0 for a loss for the Albion Cup. TD scored should only be used as a tie break IMO. There are usually other prizes for most TDs etc. |
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Posted: Jun 04, 2004 - 05:13 AM
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Emberbreeze wrote: I agree, which is why I went for the simple 3 for a win 1 for a draw and 0 for a loss for the Albion Cup. TD scored should only be used as a tie break IMO. There are usually other prizes for most TDs etc.
That's, in fact, one of the mostly commonly used system in Italy... and the one that will be used for the Italian Open  |
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Posted: Jun 06, 2004 - 05:29 AM
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Traveller wrote: Can someone please explain me, how this most sporting points works ?
If i got 0 points it means no awesome game, right ? Or it means real bad games to play with me ? Or just normal games ?  How to get 20 points ?
I´m just wondering as i thought i played two awesome games, but maybe my opponent coachs just say so and didnt wrote it down. Or i simple dont understand this math here ? 
Traveller
It's in a table on page 3 of the 'information and rules pack'.
1 or 2 great games = +0
3 great games = +5
4 great games = +10
5 great games = +15
6 great games = +20
1 or 2 lousy games = -0
3, 4 or 5 lousy games = -10
6 lousy games = -15
So if you did get 2 awesome games you scored 0 points. You are clearly a great guy to play (like most of us I'm sure), but not exceptionally great. At least according to the opinions of your opponents. |
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Posted: Jun 06, 2004 - 05:46 AM
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Personally I really like the BB scoring system (but I suppose I would say that  ).
I felt it really encouraged people to push for that extra TD rather than sitting on a 1 point lead. It certainly encouraged me to go for the big scores; more risk for more reward.
For me it's not just whether you win but also how well you win. I think 4 rounds of tie breaking is OTT (TD, CAS, Sportsmanship, Painting) and doesn't produce enough of a separation between people who win some of their games by a lot and those who win slightly more, but only by 1 TD each time. (Ok, that last bit was slightly muddled but I hope you understand what I'm trying to say.)
As a footnote I would add that despite the initial fears of many there didn't seem to be an inherent advantage for the fast teams (Skaven). They may have all risen to the top in the first 3 rounds but from round 4 the slow teams caught up (and in most cases overtook them). |
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Posted: Jun 06, 2004 - 06:14 AM
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Those standings have a flaw - the final. Surely we should credit Mordredd and Sputnik with a tie rather than a win and a loss respectively.
Puts both in the 5-1-0 group rather 6-0-0 and 5-0-1.
Not that it matters any, but credit where credit's due. |
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Posted: Jun 08, 2004 - 01:28 AM
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| But the final wasn't a draw... |
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| It was a draw at full time, and so if it wasn't exempted for being the final it would have been a draw. |
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Posted: Jun 08, 2004 - 03:22 AM
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Thadrin wrote: It was a draw at full time, and so if it wasn't exempted for being the final it would have been a draw.
I think that point needs an ufficial clarification, becouse that may happen in all the NAF tournaments around the world:
if the final ends with a tie, so the extra time is needed... do the NAF result is a tie OR the extra time result? |
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| Heu...My results were put on my dark elves whereas I was playing with orcs. :/ |
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Posted: Jun 08, 2004 - 05:34 AM
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Quote: if the final ends with a tie, so the extra time is needed... do the NAF result is a tie OR the extra time result?
If you declare prior to the tourny that there will be a real final (0battle for the tournament win), there must then by definition be a winner of this game (and this includes overtime, if needed). If you play for the win and lose, then you get the loss for the NAF rankings as well. Fair enough. 
And there are some American NAF sanctioned tournaments which include overtime as well for non-final games, I think.
However, I second Thad for his comments with regard to Ians BB list (purely for personal reasons, of course  ). It is kind of "artificial list" anyway, based on some theoretical system (and not the actual one used). It would make sense and be concise if the final would be down as a draw (pure swiss system without any exceptions for better comparison).
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Posted: Jun 08, 2004 - 06:20 AM
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