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Post subject: When is a caught pass a turnover?
 Posted: Mar 06, 2003 - 12:40 PM
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Please help me with this one. I think I know the answer, but I have a difference of opinion.
An inaccurate pass scatters, bounces and is then caught by a member of the moving team (who was not the target of the pass). Is it a turnover?
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Posted: Mar 06, 2003 - 01:22 PM
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Simply put, No, it is not a turnover.
See turnovers section of the Living Rule Book, page 14. |
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Posted: Mar 06, 2003 - 01:22 PM
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If you throw a pass, and when the ball comes to FINAL rest (and it doesn't matter HOW it got there bouncing off players, the ground, the crowd, failed catch rolls, etc); if the ball is in the hands of one of your players (ANY player from your team) it is not a turnover.
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Posted: Mar 06, 2003 - 01:46 PM
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| And yes, if Thrud switches sides and catches a bouncing ball, it is a a turnover since he's not currently on your team. |
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Posted: Mar 06, 2003 - 02:10 PM
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| We rule differently. My commish feels that if the pass itself is not caught, it is a turnover. Im the above example, he would say that the SCATTER was caught (it bounced off of the ground), not the pass. |
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Posted: Mar 06, 2003 - 02:25 PM
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BloodbasherMasher wrote: We rule differently. My commish feels that if the pass itself is not caught, it is a turnover. Im the above example, he would say that the SCATTER was caught (it bounced off of the ground), not the pass.
Your commish can make any house rules he wants, but just remember not to use house rules in tournaments. 
The only situation in which a pass ends up caught by the moving team and is a turnover is when the pass was fumbled. In that case it is a turnover even if a player on the team catches it. |
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Posted: Mar 06, 2003 - 02:39 PM
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| Yes, the rules are quite clear - they didn't use to be. But it only matters where the ball finally comes to rest. |
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Posted: Mar 06, 2003 - 05:13 PM
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BloodbasherMasher wrote: We rule differently. My commish feels that if the pass itself is not caught, it is a turnover. Im the above example, he would say that the SCATTER was caught (it bounced off of the ground), not the pass.
I would've agreed with you..until I checked out LRB pg 14 as suggested!!
LRB2 pg 14.
"TURNOVERS
If the ball isn't caught by a player from the moving team, a turnover takes place and the moving team's turn ends. The turnover does not take place until the ball finally comes to rest. This means that if the ball misses the target but is still caught by a player from the moving team, then a turnover does not take place. The ball could even scatter out of bounds, be thrown back into an empty square, and as long as it was caught by a player from the moving team then the turnover would be avoided!"
Was this wording put into LRB1? I don't recall ever reading this before. |
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Posted: Mar 06, 2003 - 06:02 PM
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spree wrote: Was this wording put into LRB1? I don't recall ever reading this before.
Hee .... try opening the 3rd edition Blood Bowl rulebook and reading page 13 ... to most coaches surprise ... a very clear wording (ie the wording you just printed) has been around for over a decade.
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Posted: Mar 06, 2003 - 08:51 PM
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| I'll lobby my commish to change the ruling because I'm not sure he was aware of that wording. |
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Posted: Mar 07, 2003 - 02:05 AM
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technically speaking, the only time a caught pass is a turnover is if it was intercepted  |
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Posted: Mar 07, 2003 - 05:09 AM
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smeborg wrote:
Quote: An inaccurate pass scatters, bounces and is then caught by a member of the moving team (who was not the target of the pass). Is it a turnover?
Was it you suffering from Andy H.'s overruling at the BB??  Well, whoever it was made the TD, as I heard.
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Posted: Mar 07, 2003 - 10:13 AM
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| this happened in longfangs last game the catch failed but it bounced and another team member caught it, andy ruled it was a turnover as the pass failed. |
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Posted: Mar 07, 2003 - 10:21 AM
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Grumbledook wrote: this happened in longfangs last game the catch failed but it bounced and another team member caught it, andy ruled it was a turnover as the pass failed.
Please please tell me that someone showed Andy the actual text in the rulebook ... geeesch! I'd have gotten a red card for sure if that had been my game.
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Posted: Mar 07, 2003 - 12:30 PM
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| Just for the record I think it should be changed to say that if the ball bounces it is a turnover, but I agree that at the moment it can bounce and be caught and not be a turnover. |
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