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Post subject:   PostPosted: Nov 17, 2006 - 01:27 PM



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My 2 cents.

WC should be a big event in many ways.
Friends, Meetings, Painting, Nation Team, IndividualS tournamentS.

I second Bevan's and OMM idea in the schedule of individual tourny and Team tourny:
first 2 days : in the same time and last day , everydody injected in the individual tourny.
other tournaments Beach Bowl, Street Bowl, Rat Ogre Bowl and so on should be nice too.
Painting should be a great moment too.

Since 4/5 years now, i am trying to get more and more people involved in tounies, and sidely in NAF (could never force people)
BUT i always saw Eurobowl as one of the concept i can work on it to get French community a bit more involved.
We have a French Forum about the Team... and since the last Eurobowl, there is a lot of discussions.
The Main point is the World Cup with a lot of projects some of us want to realize.
-having a lot of French coming for several reasons:
-Cheering and enjoy
-Painting
-Single tournament
-Nation Tournament.

i am not even sure for now that i will still lead the Team (even if i hope of course)
Well that said... each country is having his own community and i guess a lot of discussion also about nation Team...
I guess, most of the Captain will understand what i mean saying that killing the Nation Team (eurobowl system) will may be be a devastating shock for us ... our work (not only about the team-even if we are not perfect) and our credibility.
If you do a Nation tournament day 2/3 based on individual tourny day 1... what are we supposed to say or try to say next year for Eurobowl in Spain?
I am not saying that We are dictators or wisest than anybody... but i think that will be a hard for us. Killing the captains?

Here is my point, if you only do a open individual tournament, fine. If you do a Nation Team tourny, please let each nation decide as we do for Eurobowl.

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I also like the Idea of Hangus running several tournies...

the best thing would be... playing all the Finals in the Sunday Smile

Ad by the way, i think each player of a nation Team will not bother not playing for individual! There are already a part of the WC.

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just some thoughs after reading some post:

-A good player could have 6 points on nation team contest even if his team dont do well... hungary last Eurobowl.

-any Nation could win the Nation team without having players with 6 points (Belgium wasnt so far away from the tile last Eurobowl)

I am taking last Eurobowl as an example cos it is fresh in my memories but i think we can find also that in the others Eurobowls cos this is not a swiss style. (we can discuss that too for nation tourny.. but later)

-any league and any confederation could still have a challenge together:
At RDV BB4, we made a team contest of 3 players added to the individual contest. Players from Nations Teams could or could not (matter of taste) not be involved in it even if players continue in the individual tourny. The biggest problem in that organisation is only make sure people from a same league or Clan dont play each other.. i guess computers can solve that.

-A player running good during the 2firsts day of individual tourny should felt robbed by playing some of the best performers of Nation Team during the last 3 games? I guess not
-Tie breaker used for individual tournaments could be count during team tournament too... event if it only counts when the player is playing on third day for individual one.

I dont think NTO should be killed too. It is a part of each country Job to sort out those kind of things well. Naf is not a diktat but only (hopefully and happily) here to organise and get people together.
Team spirit will remains a country problem, if some guys dont like the way it is dealt in their own country, i dont think naf should be involved in this pride stuff.

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I second that.

Keep what has made the Eurobowl one of the best tourneys there are. The firm teams that show up. Also what about the trikots/t-shirts. One of the greatest things is when the squads show up in their colors. How would you make this when on day 1 no one knows if he will play?

Look at the pictures of this years EB at TBB and you will see that this was the very spirit of EB to see where a player belongs to.

I dont say the WC is an expanded EB but just keep the very idea of it.
Firm Teams, Spirit, and T-shirts. Very Happy
 
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      Glorian Underhill wrote:
One of the greatest things is when the squads show up in their colors. How would you make this when on day 1 no one knows if he will play?
That one at least is pretty easy. Make everyone declare a country of allegiance when they buy their ticket and have a national t-shirt included in the price of admission. And then ask/tell everyone who attends to wear it.

And if you want to make a distinction between those who make the team and those who don't you could hand out arm bands or badges to the lucky few.
 
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      Mordredd wrote:
      Glorian Underhill wrote:
One of the greatest things is when the squads show up in their colors. How would you make this when on day 1 no one knows if he will play?
That one at least is pretty easy. Make everyone declare a country of allegiance when they buy their ticket and have a national t-shirt included in the price of admission. And then ask/tell everyone who attends to wear it.

And if you want to make a distinction between those who make the team and those who don't you could hand out arm bands or badges to the lucky few.


decent idea but speaking as someone who sorted his cricket teams shirts, its a) quite expensive (it worked out at about 18-19 quid per shirt)
b) Sizes can be a problem, i ordered 17 and was lucky and only one person got his size wrong which from what i understand happens quite easily.

Armbands all around may be better
 
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Or silly hats. Very Happy

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      Nazgit wrote:
Or silly hats. Very Happy


what a team of hoomins? Very Happy
 
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unfotunately hoomin's already taken to wearing silly skirts as you lot would call them Wink

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I personally support the Eurobowl style.

Is it a national team World Cup or a second Bloodbowl with a Team Competition inserted in?

In order to have side-games tourneys we can arrange the team event with 2 games the first day, 2 games the second and 3 the third with small tourneys in the afternoon/night of day 1 and 2... but the core fact of all this event is the national team competition, so let's keep it as it's working since 4 years, becouse every edition is getting bigger, stronger and always better to be part of it (at least IMHO).

- 1 team per nation
- 8 players per team
- random draw (even if I would like a swiss pairing at least on day 3)
- no double races inside the team
and so on...

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Post subject:   PostPosted: Nov 18, 2006 - 08:09 PM



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I would only say that substitutes are a good thing for some nationnal team.
France will sort 10 players i guess (8+2) like in England last year.

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For me there are a couple of reasons why I'm not 100% convinced over the World Cup as it stands:

1) I personally do not want to see Eurobowl replaced with "Eurobowl + 1 Rest of the World Team". For me, the raison d'etre of the World Cup should be to have at least 3 non-European competing sides to be valid. If it was "Eurobowl + 1 Rest of the World Team" then why don't we hold Eurobowl as normal in Spain in 2007 and invite an American/RotW Team to attend (with the obvious proviso that the tournament would not be hosted by them if they won). The "Euro" bit of Eurobowl could stand for where it's held; not necessarily its participants.

2) The format, so far the major sticking point, should be unique AND should be the first thing announced, not the last. Once this has been decided, then country should be next and finally date and venue. It seems to me that everything's been done back to front.

3) All nations should have a fair and equal chance of challenging/winning.

As it has now been over 6 months since the World Cup was announced, and it's proposed date is less than 12 months away, I am worried by not seeing a lot of firm ideas about what it is supposed to be. Given that Australasia/New World players have indicated a minimum of 12 months notice it may be worth considering delaying the World Cup until later (early-mid 2008) and spending the next couple of months thrashing out the best ideas for a format without the pressure of a looming deadline.
 
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      Aramil wrote:
Is it a national team World Cup or a second Bloodbowl with a Team Competition inserted in?


If it's the first, where's the encouragement for non-team members to come, especially if the teams are pre-decided?

However, a normal BB tourney with a team comp tacked on doesn't sound that inspiring either.

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      Darkson wrote:
      Aramil wrote:
Is it a national team World Cup or a second Bloodbowl with a Team Competition inserted in?


If it's the first, where's the encouragement for non-team members to come, especially if the teams are pre-decided?

We must take a decision, now:

    THE WORLD CUP MAIN AIM IS ABOUT SOCIALISING?
    Then people should come independently if they're going to play or not.

    Personally I've been present at all the four Eurobowl ever held and I played only in two.
    Last year I was in Liverpool and I played no BB matches at all... but I still remember it as my best BB tournament ever!
    Eurobowl as it is now IS about socialising.. and if you want it this way, why changing something that works perfectly?
    THE WORLD CUP MAIN AIM IS ONLY ABOUT PLAYING BB MATCHES?
    Then why are we talking about a team competition? Let's just run another BloodBowl Tournament open to everybody and not only to the first 200 coaches who have free time enought to hold at the phone in order to book the ticket.


If you want to do something or people coming to see the World Cup even if they're nothing playing in their nation national team, just run some small side tournaments and/or a conference with JJ and the BB miniatures sculptors... that's enought! Wink

The core part of the Wolrd Cup shoul be, in my opinion, the World Cup itself, a national teams competition.
If people still needs a reason to be at this type ou tournaments other than living that wounderful atmosphere, then I would prefere them to stay home.

Sorry for my straight talking, but I think we should decide what we want to do with this tournament. Here in Italy people is already thinking about the World Cup, they're discussing (about nothing, obviously... since nothing has been decided) about it, how to choose players, how to organize in order to come to support the team and so on... so I think we should decide what street we want to ride.

After having done so, we can discuss if having 8 players it's ok or maybe 6 to make things easier for people from other continents... if national jerseys are better than national cardigans... if Bugman's Beeer is good or not... I don't Know. But a basic decision must be taken, whatever it is. Smile

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You say that like playing the game and socialising are totally discrete and separate aims, or that one should take priority over the other. I personally have been viewing the 'main aim' of the world cup as being to socialise over a game of BB in a tournament that brings together as many coaches from around the world as possible. Maybe I'm wrong and the organisers are after something different or more limited but that's what I see; and what I want out of this event.

And whilst the prospect of paying large amounts of money to attend a tournament and just watch is fine for a very very very limited few (I did it last year when team Scotland collapsed at the last minute and it was fine, but I really wouldn't want to do it again) for the overwhelming majority of coaches no game time = no attendance. And I want those people to attend, because otherwise there's only going to be around 100 coaches there (and that's probably assuming that the 3 non-European sides manage to get there).
 
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