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Post subject: Touchback question
 Posted: Aug 21, 2008 - 01:06 PM
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Okay, the rules state "a kick-off must land in the opponent's half of the pitch" and if it "scatters or bounces off the pitch or into the kicking team's half the receiving coach is awarded a 'touchback'"...
An odd thing happened in a game today that could use some opinions...
A wood elf team was kicking the ball and a lizardman team was receiving. The scatter from the kick put the ball RIGHT BEHIND the Kroxigor at the half way line on the line of scrimmage and the Kick-Off table resulted in Perfect Defense, so all the wood elves reorganized to cluster close to the center to have a chance to break through the line and get the ball if the clumsy lizards failed to pick it up...
Then the ball bounces (cause the square was empty) into the Kroxigor... with his AG of 1, naturally he failed to catch it (not even worrying about all the tackle zones around him) and it bounces along the line to the Saurus beside him... who also has a AG of 1 and again failed to get the ball... finally it bounces over the half way line into the hands of the wood elf thrower.
Now, reading the rules as they are written, one could interpret that the kick-off DID land in the receiving teams half of the pitch and it was their clumsiness that batted it across the line, so it would only seem fair to allow the wood elves to retain what became a hilarious and unplanned onside kick...
But one could also argue that failing to catch a ball causes it to bounce, so technically it "bounced" into the receiving team's half and the lizards should receive a touchback.
I'm more inclined to go with the former decision (and did for this game) but was curious on more official answers to the argument... any ideas? |
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Post subject: RE: Touchback question
Posted: Aug 21, 2008 - 02:13 PM
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| It's a touchback. Once the ball crosses the midfield line, that's it. |
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Post subject: RE: Touchback question
Posted: Aug 21, 2008 - 02:27 PM
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| Just confirming - It's a touchback. |
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Post subject: RE: Touchback question
Posted: Aug 21, 2008 - 04:42 PM
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Until the ball settles in one spot it is still considered part of the kickoff. If the ball crosses into the crowd or over the midfield line it is a touchback.
So in your situation it is a touchback (as was said by some before me.....) |
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Post subject: Re: Touchback question
Posted: Aug 21, 2008 - 05:51 PM
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Post subject: RE: Re: Touchback question
Posted: Aug 21, 2008 - 06:53 PM
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skritter wrote:
Erm, if you had READ my post, you'd have noted I quoted those exact lines from it. It comes down to interpretation, not reading comprehension. Whether "must land in the opponent's half of the pitch" is absolute to mean that the final square it enters must be there or if the final bounce from the kick itself (not including scatter from failed catches) merely must be in the receiving area.
I know the NFL only cares if it goes out of bounds or the initial bounce is in the receiving area, but I'm not so clear on rugby (which is closer to Blood Bowl from what I DO know about it). Then again, Blood Bowl does tend to go for "simple", so it probably would still officially be a touchback  |
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Post subject: RE: Re: Touchback question
Posted: Aug 21, 2008 - 09:03 PM
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All kidding aside.
When I first read your post, I kinda agreed with your suggested possibility of the rule.
But it is all in the last line of the rule.... "Once the kick-off has been taken you are ready to proceed to the first turn of the game."
But in reading the rule I think it is clear enough,
but the real question is what is included as part of the kick off and what is not.
Is the catching of the ball by the receiving team part of the 'kickoff action' or part off the 'first turn'.
I think it is clear that the catch is part off the kick off action and therefore no penalty against the receiving team.
Although I personally feel it would be more fun that the mandatory catch should be apart of the turn (and NOT the kick off) and thus place some emphasis on the placement tactics of the kicking team and rewarding the kicking team for the consequence of a good kick.
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Post subject: RE: Re: Touchback question
Posted: Aug 25, 2008 - 03:02 AM
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Ok...just clarifying here than and is prue hypothetical as we got REAL close to this on the weekend.
This could take me a bit so bare with me as I will go through it with the kickoff procedure and my thoughts etc.
1 - Kicking Team Set up - Easy
2 - Recieving Team Set up - Easy
3 - Place the ball and roll for scatter. Now at this point I assume the ball to STILL be in the air and hasnt yet bounced. Lets assume the scatter leaves it damn close to the centre line.
4 - Roll on the kick off table - Blitz
5 - Resolve the kick off. Kicking team move players "under the ball"
6 - Bounce/Catch/Touchback. Right so know we resolve the catch, kicking team fail and it scatters over the halfway line....so this would be a touchback??
If it is I feel that is a bit harsh. I mean the ball bounced well would have.
But after reading the section on touchbacks and the above that would mean it would be a touchback.
Ok must remember that for future use.... |
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Post subject: RE: Re: Touchback question
Posted: Aug 25, 2008 - 05:54 PM
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okay lets see if I can make it easy
IF the ball does not end up in a players hands and ends up bouncing:
in the crowd (out the side)
over the half line
through the endzone (out the back)
it is a touchback and given to any player of the receiving team |
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Post subject: RE: Re: Touchback question
Posted: Aug 25, 2008 - 06:07 PM
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Yes, it appears that no matter HOW it ends up there, if it ends up there before the kick-off is fully resolved, it's a touchback.
Although a house rule for a failed catch attempt bouncing it over the line of scrimmage without a touchback could be appropriate if all coaches agree. Officially, it's a touchback. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: Touchback question
Posted: Aug 25, 2008 - 09:21 PM
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No worries...
Nice question and one I never even considered |
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Post subject: RE: Re: Touchback question
Posted: Aug 26, 2008 - 05:49 AM
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| Its a touchback... hey at least you got the catch attempt. Normally when I roll a blitz the ball is too deep for me to reach! |
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Post subject: RE: Re: Touchback question
Posted: Aug 26, 2008 - 09:23 AM
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Yeh its all good.
If I hadn't of clarified and read this thread I would have played it....well the ball landed...GAME ON!!!...so its good to get clarification. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: Touchback question
Posted: Aug 27, 2008 - 07:48 AM
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If it is a touchback, I have another question.
Could you fail the catch on purpose? If you don't want the player who is receiving to handle the ball, and you prefer to give it to your thrower/runner, it may be desirable. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: Touchback question
Posted: Aug 27, 2008 - 08:41 AM
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I reckon I can answer that. Somewhere it states in the manual you always have to attempt to catch/pickup....but someone better back me up there before you take it as gospel 
If you have the Catch skill though you could choose to NOT reroll it. |
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