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 Posted: Jan 14, 2011 - 04:21 AM
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Quote: The numbers come from France being another small country. Just about everyone can drive an hour and be there.
Not really. It's like Florida size wise. But still for you, it is obviously much smaller than your country. Anyway, having 100 coachs is still better than having 50 if we're logical. You might have more coach than France but USA is more like Europe than Belgium  We gather much more people more regulary than you do.
Instead of trying to get the WC 'because your the USA or Canada', you should organize the North american cup. Its success would be a much better incentive than "we're bigger than you". |
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Posted: Jan 14, 2011 - 04:39 AM
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daloonieshaman wrote:
The numbers come from France being another small country. Just about everyone can drive an hour and be there.
Let me guess, geography wasn't your forte at school ?  |
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Posted: Jan 14, 2011 - 04:42 AM
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LouisX wrote: Not really. It's like Florida size wise.
French Florida? |
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Posted: Jan 14, 2011 - 05:50 AM
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Thadrin wrote: LouisX wrote: Not really. It's like Florida size wise.
French Florida?
Obviously. The home of Amsterdam gay porn *private joke inside* |
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Posted: Jan 14, 2011 - 07:06 AM
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LouisX wrote: Thadrin wrote: LouisX wrote: Not really. It's like Florida size wise.
French Florida?
Obviously. The home of Amsterdam gay porn *private joke inside*
Did you watch us on DVD?  *private joke inside* |
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Posted: Jan 14, 2011 - 12:38 PM
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From North to South, France is 1000 kilometers. From East to West, it's also around 1000 kilometers (well, it depends where exactly). So it can be 1 hour by plane but not by car! 
I live in Chambéry, in the Alps Mountains and Amsterdam is 1000 kilometers from home. It won't be longer for me to reach Amsterdam than to reach some french tournaments in Brittany for example. For french coaches living in Paris, in the North of France or in the East of France, Amsterdam is less far than Toulouse, where there's the biggest french tournament (144 coaches as said before). |
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Posted: Jan 15, 2011 - 02:46 AM
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Posted: Jan 15, 2011 - 03:57 PM
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Oops. I was still speaking of Rugbowl 2009 and not Rugbowl 2010.
PS : Your signature concerns Rugbowl 2008, it's even worse ! |
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Posted: Jan 16, 2011 - 04:42 AM
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OK. I'm an RTO so I'm involved in this, however I think that there is a conflict of ideals here.
Some people are approaching this tournament as 'Blood Bowl world party' where everyone who wants to come can come.
However, that was clearly not my ideal. My ideal was that it would be a 'world cup' (hence the name) where there is a process of competition before your team can even enter.
To me, this is the issue. Everyone is expecting to come. Well guess what - not everyone can. In my mind, there should have been a selection process to work out who is coming and who is not. Last World cup, we (Australia) only had _ONE_ team come. We had a large discussion on it and the community supported that team, even though people didn't go they supported the team, as the team was _representing_ them - much the same way as the Olympics works.
However, this is not happening in the countries where there is a problem with too many teams. My suggestion would have been for these countries to have some method of working out representatives (by region, ranking, a knockout tournament, whatever) so they can work out their team.
This would be much the same way that each individual country works out who their players are for a the football World Cup - it is up to the coach and their football federation to decide. Some good players miss out because of injury, same here - the best BB players may not be able to make the World Cup for various reasons either.
So to me the issue is that the RTO doesn't seem to have had any say in team makeup or a complete lack of discussion between teams as to who will 'represent' their country and the rest of the players. Whose fault is that? Not sure. I'm not saying that the RTO should become some authoritarian figure - but there should be a selection process.
This has not happened as some people have expected this to work like 'Blood Bowl world party' and anyone who wants to come can - but is that a realistic expectation? I don't know many competitions where anyone who wants to enter can, at the very top level of competition.
This is all my personal opinion and does not reflect the NAF. Here in Oz, I tried to get some kind of discussion on ranking happening, but there was a strong desire to be more informal about it. The team who came in 2007 went and organised themselves and registered themselves as a team. The rest of us are planning a meeting at the 'Blood Bowl nationals' on 22 and 23 January.
So to me, this is a clash of ideals. I don't think the 'world party' ideal can work easily as an 'open' tournament with unlimited places. |
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I'm quite agree with your point of view but that's definitly not the main stream here in Europe...
The NAF World Cup is considered as the biggest international tournament ever and that's why so many players want to come and throw block dices against some people they would never have met in others circumstances. The first NWC was open and no one has been refused, it was the perfect place to meet US and Australian players (and many others!). Most of the players who were at Nottingham want to come again to Amsterdam and the ones who weren't there four years ago wouldn't miss the second WC for anything in the world! That's quite understandable...
The fact is that the NAF has never annouced an exclusive event, based on the players level (as the Eurobowl is), so the Wild Wide Open NAF World Cup Myth has followed its way
Another thing is that a lot of players don't want to base a selection upon a ranking and the level of play. Bloodbowl is considered as a game for lucky bastards (where it's always the sames who win ) and taking it too seriously, with a competitive spirit, is disclaimed as an error and even a danger. See some players community - Magic the Gathering for instance - and you'll see all what the BB players community wants to avoid: arrogance, bad spirit, cheating...
I personnaly think that this point of view is a bit hypocrite as Bloodbowl is a sport game when we're all involved in Leagues, tournaments, rankings, national championship... The competitive aspect of our game is obvious!
Anyway, let the world Cup be the Bloodbowl Party you're talking about, and let's be happy to meet all together (if possible) to celebrate and dedicate our laughs and disapointments to (bloody!) Nuffle. |
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Posted: Jan 16, 2011 - 08:14 AM
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Marco_Gianni wrote:
Anyway, let the world Cup be the Bloodbowl Party you're talking about, and let's be happy to meet all together (if possible) to celebrate and dedicate our laughs and disapointments to (bloody!) Nuffle.
Amen brother!
I see nothing wrong with this, in fact I positively encourage this community spirit with every fiber of my being!!
I can completely understand what Babs is saying, that the WC seems to be straying from a real 'best of each country meeting to decide best of the best' to a 'huge bundle of as many coaches from as many places in the world all celebrating our hobby'. I for one think this second option is much more preferable.
Bloodbowl events for me have always been about meeting fellow BB players, chatting about tactics, new developments in the game, meeting guys you've only chatted to online before, having a great laugh. That is why I went to the Blood Bowl in Nottingham. That is why I have attended the Dutch Open many times, it's meeting up with BB guys I probably will not see for another year to 18 months, playing some hard fought games and catching up.
Does it meet the original 'elite playing elite from as many countries possible' format? No.
Does it mean the 'biggest event in the BB world, a very rare chance to have an amazing 3 days in a row of BB gaming against some of the best players in the BB community'? Hell yes!
It's only every four years, gotta be done if you ask me and much respect to those currently working on it... |
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Posted: Jan 16, 2011 - 12:38 PM
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Can you tell us how we can pay the inscription of our teams?
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Posted: Jan 16, 2011 - 01:53 PM
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There is a specialist / separate site set up we will release for this when the date is up. Its easier and more efficient to handle it this way. This site only handles Pay Pal payments which is restrictive and we want manage the funds away from normal main stream accounts.
We appreciate some of you will want to do a simple bank transfer. We are doing all we can to make the process simple. |
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Posted: Jan 16, 2011 - 02:51 PM
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Interesting points in your post above Babs and as you can see from the replies you have had so far, many in Europe can understand "where you are coming from" so to speak.
But it's not that clear in Europe. There are so many great coaches. How do you pick who is best?
I think this is why Marco and Dwarfcoach post as they do.. We all know there will be some great coaches there, I think they just wanna have fun and see everyone.... |
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Posted: Jan 16, 2011 - 06:00 PM
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dwarfcoach wrote: I can completely understand what Babs is saying, that the WC seems to be straying from a real 'best of each country meeting to decide best of the best' to a 'huge bundle of as many coaches from as many places in the world all celebrating our hobby'. I for one think this second option is much more preferable.
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