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Post subject: NAF II : painting contest questions  PostPosted: Jan 07, 2011 - 01:54 AM



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Hello,
i know most of us are players more than painters. And that there is a old gimmick that says "white men can't jump, and good players can't paint", but if there is a painting contest i think it would be very good to have the rule set quickly because painting a whole team at a high level do consume a lot of time. (considreing you also do have a cumulative full time job/life )
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-will there be several categories and if yes which ones ? (big guy, team, diorama etc..)
-do you have to play the team you want to present to the contest ?
-will there be a jury or will it be a public vote ?
-will there be a preselection (as for the B7 where a jury preselect teams that will be submitted to the public vote afterwards)


I know this is not an emergency for most of us, but at least the questions has been put somewhere,please do answer as soon as possible.
I (and probably other painters) would not like to present a last time scratch build team.
 
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Post subject:   PostPosted: Jan 07, 2011 - 02:38 AM



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i agree the question
 
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Post subject:   PostPosted: Jan 07, 2011 - 11:48 AM



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one more issue to think about imo - have the teams to be painted by the coach himself or not? (for the painting contest)

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      Snake_Eyes wrote:
one more issue to think about imo - have the teams to be painted by the coach himself or not? (for the painting contest)

      Elyoukey wrote:

-do you have to play the team you want to present to the contest ?

is my english that bad or isn't it the same question ?
 
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They are different questions:

The difference is whether or not you can present a team that was not painted by you.
 
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      Mootaz wrote:
They are different questions:

The difference is whether or not you can present a team that was not painted by you.

ok i see
i used to go to miniature contests so for me it was obvious that for a painting contest you do present miniatures you painted. But true, this point should be specified.
 
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I think there really should be a separate painting competition that has no relationship to the games themselves - and cover all the categories you'd normally expect.

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That was my suggestion to Dave on November. He replied they are going to consider it after Tournament Main settings are ready.

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Hello Dave,

I'm a quite veteran spanish player, who was at the first NAF WC. I'm playing BB for more than ten years, and I want to suggest you an idea that maybe you will find interesting.

Due to the disappointment that in spain some players and painters had with Legacy Team painting level, we decided to try with an alternate Legacy called Legacy Contest.

The idea is more or less the same, each participant paints a model, and one winner get the whole team. The thing here is that the winner in Legacy Contest is the one chosen because of his mini is the best painted.

This idea was tried just twice, unfortunately it takes so much effort for us to do it well, mainly because the number of spanish "pro-painters" was not so high in the past... Maybe today it will work better. Anycase, we could manage to have a number of extremely good painted minis, with the same colour scheme, from different artists.

I think that maybe it will be interesting for you as a "side event" on NAF World Cup II. Organizers can pic up one race, recall for pro-painters to join in the contest, share the positionals and also decide the colour scheme (probably NAF colours or Orange as Dutch sport colour).

Then maybe you can get such a high number of real pro-painters (because of so many people will not join in if they know that are not going to win) and finally also get such a nice picture of a Dutch NAF World Cup Team.

You have the people critic mass to get the painters, also a number of veteran players as Contest painting referees, and I guess some money for a symbolic thropy or something like that. Most important, you have the name of WC and the prestige associated to it.

I'm wasting your time just because it figures to me like a Golden Demon of Bloodbowl, and your tourney seems the best place to do it.

Thank you for your time, and also your effort to go on with WC.

Cheers

Pako


Maybe community can help organizers running the Painting contest as a side event...
 
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We are discussing the painting prize topic.
Organising something like this for 80 players with votes for all costs 30-40 minutes. For 400+ you need a quicker system with less people voting.
Even the Old Nottingham way took way too long.

So, we're looking for a system which doesn't have a huge drag on the timetable. Which still should get the best team possible.

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should have a team of judges, not a public vote imo

might lead to political voting otherwise ;]

want the most worthy one to win, not who has the most people there they know voting for them

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Same opinion for me,
+ a dedicated jury will be able to judge the miniatures during games for a 0 time impact on the overall schedule.
probably the Dutch painting community has high level painters that would be happy to give a hand.

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Best choice imo too
 
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I wont get a team done so I can help Judge! If you think I am qualified!
 
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Maybe the potential candidates can post pictures of their team in a thread here. So there can be a preselection.

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actually a picture do never give justice to a minitature, simetimes looks better and sometimes looks crappier, to juge a mini you have to have it in your hand i think.

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