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 Posted: May 18, 2011 - 05:43 AM
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I think Grum's point is that by having the match ups between individuals fixed you only need to publish the team vs team match ups and the captains can arrange it from there.
Personally I didn't think the swiss within teams added an appreciable delay and I don't think the problems that Grum elaborated are really any more likely with one system or another. Wood Elves only keep playing other fast teams is the draw prioritises TDs (or TD difference) as the tie break between coaches on the same record. |
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Posted: May 18, 2011 - 05:50 AM
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I'd still prefer captains rolling a few dice to sort players inside teams instead having players pre-determined
or if we don't want to roll dice, captains could write down players and numbers each round secretely, than show the papers together to have couples
it doesn't add delay this way
what about the APO question?
can we use it to field a KOed player who fails the KO roll before the drive starts? |
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Posted: May 18, 2011 - 05:52 AM
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you have to use the apothecary right away, so no you can't do that
had that come up at a tournament here in england
how would score randomising it be any different to randomising the match ups by having numbers for each player in the team at the start of the tournament? |
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Posted: May 18, 2011 - 06:16 AM
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well, if you assign a determined number at the start of the tournament to each player in the team, you already know AT THE VERY START that you may not play against someone, while if you randomize each round you don't know your opponent in the opposing team
I don't know if it's clear... I'll wrote down an example:
Evolution team
Liam #1
Yena #2
Ivs #3
Dreddolo #4
Teg #5
Tricky #6
Taverna team
Farina #1
Roller #2
Darksteve #3
Dirold #4
Beppe #5
DocGNeri #6
we already know from the very start that Farina and Ivs will never play against in this tournament, and that if Evolution and Taverna will be sorted against Farina is goind to play Liam, Yena - Roller and so on... |
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Posted: May 18, 2011 - 07:17 AM
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| The reason I don't like fixed positions is because there is a potential for captains to learn the order of other teams then change their order... if there is a "mistake" and match ups are out of sequence then there will be the suspicion this happened and that is bad. |
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Posted: May 18, 2011 - 07:52 AM
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| so we come to the same point, let's decide round by round the sorting, without fixed positions! |
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Posted: May 18, 2011 - 08:35 AM
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| I can't get why is not Swiss matching also inside the teams |
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Posted: May 18, 2011 - 08:56 AM
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Pako wrote: I can't get why is not Swiss matching also inside the teams
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Posted: May 18, 2011 - 08:56 AM
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What did we do for the WC1 (seems so long ago now  ). |
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Posted: May 18, 2011 - 08:59 AM
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daloonieshaman wrote: Pako wrote: I can't get why is not Swiss matching also inside the teams
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I'm not sure why you'd think it would take anymore time?
If the software* is capable of drawing the teams per round via swiss, it can just as easily do the individual players at the same time.
*At least it should be able to.
Can (or could in WC1) you play a coach in rounds 1-3 (the individual rounds), then play them again in one of the team rounds? |
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Posted: May 18, 2011 - 08:59 AM
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| Let the Score! make each round draw, random or swiss, but dont let it be predeterminated |
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Posted: May 18, 2011 - 09:19 AM
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It is the fact that coaches have to then look up and find who they are playing that takes more time, not score outputting it.
At the NAF champs with half the coaches finding your match up was a big kerfuffle. If the team captains just go up to find out which row of tables their whole team is playing on it would be quicker.
This may just be a logistics point, no reason captains can't go up and get given a print out of their team matches rather than posting a huge list at various points around the venue. That would cut out the scramble which is what takes the time.
If input is being accepted, I prefer random match ups within teams rather than swiss. |
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Posted: May 18, 2011 - 10:11 AM
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I think if captains can go to the ref table and take the sorting sheet it would be easy and without wasting of time!
this way we can randomly sort players inside teams |
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Posted: May 18, 2011 - 10:13 AM
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Dreddolo wrote: I think if captains can go to the ref table and take the sorting sheet it would be easy and without wasting of time!
this way we can randomly sort players inside teams
If we have randomly drawn matches within Swiss-drawn teams, then the software should be able to do what Grum said - no need for the captains to do anything except collect the round sheets. |
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