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 Posted: May 09, 2003 - 04:36 PM
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he managed the draw  but I think I'll get him next  |
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Posted: May 09, 2003 - 11:31 PM
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I can't believe there's even a debate about this.
If a game is tied, there are four turns left, and you are receiving, why in the world would you score in two turns and give your opponent a chance to come back?
That's just stupid.
If you hang on to the ball and drain the clock, it's a legitimate tactic.
I do it when I must, and I expect other coaches to do it, too. If anyone ever complained to me about it, I'd probably laugh and tell the guy to stop whining and come up with a strategy to get the ball.
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Posted: May 10, 2003 - 01:07 AM
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| I agree, with my elves I score in two turns about 95% of the team, so if a dwarf coach left me 4 turns too score an equaliser I would laugh very hard! |
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Posted: May 12, 2003 - 05:05 PM
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Ok then, I will have to confirm to my moaning opponant that the general consensus is:
" Tough, you need to make sure you do not let yourself get into that situation in the first place!"
Cool, thanks guys.... |
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Posted: May 15, 2003 - 08:23 AM
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I had this done to me. I don't generally mind but i was a bit p!ssed off because my opponent was using an established Norse team and i was playing my second game with a lizardman team. He got the ball and stopped 1 sqaure away frmo the endzone and proceeded to spend 4 turns kicking the sh!te out of my team.
This was added to the fact that in turn 2 of the game he had managed to kill 3 of my players and SI 1 (including the skink who i had only just got sure hands for, and which the apothecary failed to save ) |
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Posted: May 16, 2003 - 03:00 AM
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| Ok, now that kind of behaviour is well off! I think there is no need for that kind of activity, just if it is a really close game and it makes the difference between a drawer or a win.... |
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Posted: May 19, 2003 - 01:08 PM
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My tactic against this is to try and turn the tables.
I had a Norse coach try that on me (While I was playing my Norse team), I couldn't get to the ball carrier. So I tried the second best thing, pick the most valuable player he has (his thrower in this case... I couldn't get to the blitzers) and focus on killing him. Light him up and foul, foul, foul. You start hurting even a few of his players and he'll score. It doesn't take much to make it not worth while.  . He scored in only one extra turn. |
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Posted: Sep 19, 2003 - 02:30 PM
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My brother will never forget the lesson he learned with that tactic! He was playing orcs vs skaven in a semi. It was a 1-1 tie and he had the ball on one of his blitzers a square away from skaven's end zone for the last four turns!. There were two of us watching the game as the rats got blocked, blitzed, fouled, stripped, squeezed and the like just for fun and for the sake of it. We all knew that the skaven's coach was holding a random event card and we all also knew (apart from my brother, of course) what card it was (what I still don't know is how all three of us could keep our poker-face perfectly sculpted that the case required). Poor skavens didn't have a chance of getting to the orc blitzer (only four of them in the field, all linerats!), and it was a desperate situation for their coach. Then it all happened like flowing:
In turn eight, my brother went on blocking and blitzing anything with a furry skin and finally said: "I'm not fouling you because I could be sent off and my MASTER PLAN could get frustrated!". then he slowly took his blitzer and went to move the last sqare saying: "that's where the Rats end!!!" and then, very nicely, my friend (skaven's coach) went: "Pop!" and showed the card he was holding: yes, you guessed, Burst Ball!!!
You should have seen my brother's face (I'm still laughing as I write this down). The game was a tie and, of course the saven scored in the extra-time thus giving them access to the finals and a valuable lesson to my little brother.
Wow! It was a long one! But we still laugh at it (a year and a half ago) and the skaven coach got the trophy at last.
I don't mind it if that tactic is used on me, because I think it is a coach's duty to prevent his opponent from doing so. But certainly it is not a nice thing when you get caught with it.
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Posted: Sep 19, 2003 - 02:41 PM
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| So in a match where sportsmanship counts, would t6his be frowned on. While I agree it's a tactic I don't think poiunding a team into the dirt for extra turns is exactly sportmanlike in a traditional sense. |
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Posted: Sep 22, 2003 - 03:32 AM
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Khaine wrote: So in a match where sportsmanship counts, would t6his be frowned on. While I agree it's a tactic I don't think poiunding a team into the dirt for extra turns is exactly sportmanlike in a traditional sense.
I'd say delaying to win (i.e. to go 2-1 up) is fine. Delaying to go 2 more in front isn't. |
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Posted: Sep 22, 2003 - 03:38 AM
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Its cheesy as hell. Its boring, no fun and - unfortunately - sometimes a very sensible tactic. I try to keep my use of it to a minimum, as it can hurt you...I once lost a game when I tried to stall one turn against Woodies with Orcs. I was SURE my ball carrier was secure. Jammy Wardancer tho...and I ended up 2-0 down instead of on equal footing.
As has been said...if you're delaying to keep a win intact for a couple of turns then its OK. |
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Posted: Sep 22, 2003 - 04:06 AM
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There is Playing Dirty, and there is Cheating...
This tactic is Playing Dirty. If a player ain't playing Dirty, then maybe he/ she should be playing Chess or Checkers...
- Ever see a Death Roller mash a team, turning it into "Road Kill"??? Not a pretty sight...
- Ever see a Wizard turn a player into a Frog or see Lightning hit???
Dirty, but extremely FUNNY, if you are not on the receiving end of it...
Letzzz say-
In League play, one of the other teams has a Kick-Ass player that is high in SPP, we will call him or her "Mr./ Mz. TouchDown". If you have the chance to Gank Mr. TouchDown, and you don't, you must want him to run circles around you and you must like losing games...
I'm not a player that is into a lot of Fouling, but I do my share, but mainly near the end of my Matches... "PayBacks are a Be-otch!!!" |
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Posted: Sep 23, 2003 - 03:25 AM
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| *hehe* funny. Some people claim they "play dirty" if they stall but in the same sentence they whine and bitch if you surround their top player with your own and let a Dirty Player beat him to a bloody pulp in a foul. |
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Posted: Sep 23, 2003 - 03:37 AM
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In my opinion anyone who thinks running down the clock is "cheesey" or "dirty" just hasn't got the idea that Blood Bowl is - after all, a strategy game...
Why isn't fouling "cheesey" - "No fair - he caused casualties so I couldn't score!"
Why not pushing off the pitch with frenzy instead of - well not? "No fair - he pushed my players off so I couldn't score!"
Playing down the clock when you need to (or even when you don't for vindictive people  ) is a FAIR, GOOD and honourable tactic.
If someone plays the clock against me - they are showing me the greatest respect - they KNOW I might be able to score...
If someone scores early and could have held on - stalling - and then I score back - I consider that player tactically not as good and I would also feel like I "got away with it"
Blood Bowl is not about mercy! Do what you can to win! Why do people insist that doing everything you can to win within the rules is somehow cheesey? Why should I give my opponent an opportunity I don't need to? Thats just dumb!!!
I'd better shut up now or I'll get into a frenzy of ranting But this issue REALLY annoys me. If "you have to score if you can" ever became an official rule I would never play in a tournament again - not least because you can still "abuse" that.
Grr!
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Posted: Sep 23, 2003 - 03:41 AM
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Mordredd wrote: Happened to my opponent in the league semi once.
Wanted to win AND kill me. 
Would have done it too if he'd resisted that turn 8 foul.
Instead he lost 1-0 in extra time. We laughed for a week.
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